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That is terrible
Omega SM300 w/ Mesh Bracelet Built with Replacement Parts & Purchased on Chrono24
That is terrible
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·Should have expanded more on my previous post I guess. If we were to apply the cars analogy there are a lot of recorded examples with cars built at a later stage from NOS or even reproductions parts that have been allowed to race in historic events following approval from the governing body.
Indeed they might not be worth the same in an auction but they are recognised as “originals” and hence they have a value. This is also reflected in the watchco to vintage comparison, the vintage 300s command higher prices than watchcos...
as I say.... it may be better than the original, it may be worse.... that just depends on the actual item made. But it is NOT an Omega watch, nor should it be sold or bought as such, nor should the expectations be based on the omega brand version.
I have nothing against watchco, they’re fun watches. Nothing against this watch, it’s a nice watch.
if I get all the parts of a Daytona, and build one in my garage..... is it a Daytona or a Nobel Price heritage Daytona? And if it is the latter, should someone buy it with the expectation that he or she is buying a Rolex? And, if so, what is the fair price?
The price and the expectation! IMO, should not be based on Daytona watches, but on whatever my cost is, plus fair production cost.... probably a few hundred dollars, PLUS whatever premium my name and expertise adds to value. In my case, nothing.... if I’m Archer... much more.... if my name was Genta, even more.
Are they originals? Sure, Nobel Price originals, not Rolex.
But the watch, to me, remains a franken, a watch made from loose parts, genuine or not.
If a brand decides to allow another manufacturer , say watchco, to build watches than then can be sold as Omegas, to me, that is a licensing agreement. Again, only as good as the licensee can make it, not as good as the original.
I don’t mean to offend anyone, this is just my opinion. Not really more valuable than anyone else’s.
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·Reading between the lines I think Noble is saying that the watchco style sm300 is not an ‘authentic’ Omega. It is only worth the sum of its parts.
I can’t disagree but still think it has its place and is a fun watch.
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··Omega Qualified Watchmakerso.... for 1 or 2 g’s max.... maybe. It does not actually cost more than a few hundred to make.
Sorry, but if you think the parts for a complete watch can be obtained for "a few hundred" then you are mistaken.
If you see the point in these or not is up to you, but they are popular. They are not fakes if made with genuine parts. Franken yes, but not fakes.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerInformations on the dial
https://vintagewatchspecialist.com/...a-big-triangle-dial-date-aperture-part-98-562
This dial is junk - Omega stopped using tritium in the late 1990's, so a dial made in 2011 as the package indicates would not be a tritium dial. The part number on the package is for a regular date dial, no big triangle, and no "T swiss made T" above the 6 marker - on the proper Omega dial it is under the 6 marker, and just says "Swiss Made"...
Someone has simply placed a fake dial in a real package.
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·Exactly and agreed with you.
So just to play with you what if you send your ‘watchco’ to Omega for service?
They rebuild the watch completely at Omega. Does this make it an Omega now in your eyes?
Personally I think collectors are all different and what matters to one is not so important to others. Condition, originality, age appropriateness of replaced parts. All have different levels of priority and no one can definitively say one way is right and another is wrong.
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·Sorry, but if you think the parts for a complete watch can be obtained for "a few hundred" then you are mistaken.
If you see the point in these or not is up to you, but they are popular. They are not fakes if made with genuine parts. Franken yes, but not fakes.
as for the cost of parts etc you certainly know much better than me so I’ll stand corrected, but I do know of automatic watches than can are made for a couple of hundred and sold for much more. This I know from the actual brands themselves but, of course, they are not omega and they buy wholesale. I’m assuming the maker of this watch does too based on their sales volume but. True, I don’t know their actual cost.
so... franken. I’m ok with that.
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·This non-collector has a "real" WatchCo and prefers it to the original.
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·So just to play with you what if you send your ‘watchco’ to Omega for service?
They rebuild the watch completely at Omega. Does this make it an Omega now in your eyes?
Personally I think collectors are all different and what matters to one is not so important to others. Condition, originality, age appropriateness of replaced parts. All have different levels of priority and no one can definitively say one way is right and another is wrong.
fair and interesting point. I would say it’s a watchco serviced by Omega and therefore condoned by them...
an interesting watch... as watchco’ watches are.
not Omegas though. Just my opinion
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·This non-collector has a "real" WatchCo and prefers it to the original.
which is fair. I don’t have anything against watchco. As stated, they can be better or worse than the original. All on the eye of the beholder.
I have many watches I like over other watches.... brand is not always the driver of personal taste or quality.
so Watchco is great! Ok.
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·I consider it to be Omega. All of the parts were made by Omega and assembled the same way.
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·I think you cannot call it anything other than an Omega. The only difference is the timing and distributor of the parts being made into a SM300. Same watch, same quality, same, same, same!(as an original watch that needed service parts)
I don’t even think the definition of Franken is correct. That for me should be applied to a watch made up of parts incorrect for the model to make something unseen in regular production.
I don’t even think the definition of Franken is correct. That for me should be applied to a watch made up of parts incorrect for the model to make something unseen in regular production.
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··Omega Qualified Watchmakeras for the cost of parts etc you certainly know much better than me so I’ll stand corrected, but I do know of automatic watches than can are made for a couple of hundred and sold for much more. This I know from the actual brands themselves but, of course, they are not omega and they buy wholesale. I’m assuming the maker of this watch does too based on their sales volume but. True, I don’t know their actual cost.
Hang on - are you referring to Watchco watches? If so, these are made with spare parts obtained from Omega, so Omega dictates the pricing of the parts - there's no negotiating some discount based on "wholesale" volumes. Years ago when Watchco was actually still doing these, the parts for these models were pretty cheap. However, as I've said in numerous places, Omega has been jacking up parts prices by multiples in some cases, rather than small yearly incremental increases they used to do. Prices used to go up 2 or 3 percent each Spring, but in the last 3 years or so, they have changed the way they increase prices, and in many instances prices have double or more overnight. For example I quickly looked up the dial prices I paid some years ago for a SM300 model, and the current price is now 3.4X that price from 2013.
Whoever is making these now is paying the set price from Omega for the parts - again you can't negotiate a discount based on sales volumes.
They use genuine Omega vintage movements, that need to be completely serviced and often require a good number of parts before they are suitable for use. And all those parts prices are rocketing up in price also...
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI think you cannot call it anything other than an Omega. The only difference is the timing and distributor of the parts being made into a SM300. Same watch, same quality, same, same, same!(as an original watch that needed service parts)
I don’t even think the definition of Franken is correct. That for me should be applied to a watch made up of parts incorrect for the model to make something unseen in regular production.
The only reason I would use the word franken, is because the movements in these were mostly not from a SM300 initially. They are often from some less desirable model, and were converted to the SM300 by Watchco. If someone was trying to sell a vintage Speedmaster that had a Seamaster movement in it, most people would consider that a franken - I don't see these any differently in that regard.
BTW this type of conversion is allowed by Omega, but only as a part of a servicing job - Omega doesn't allow people to produce Omegas and sell them - that is how you end up losing a parts account.
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·Can you tell by serial number what the watch was supposed to be?
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·I do t get it. Wherever the parts are from if it’s not made by Omega it’s a franken, a fake.
Please forgive this personal question, but I have wondered this for a while, so perhaps you can indulge my curiosity. Are you an actual Nobel laureate, or a fake?
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerCan you tell by serial number what the watch was supposed to be?
You would need an Extract, and it would not come back with a result - that way you would know it's not for an SM300, but you wouldn't know what is was actually used in.
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·Please forgive this personal question, but I have wondered this for a while, so perhaps you can indulge my curiosity. Are you an actual Nobel laureate, or a fake?
a fake.... the Nobel price name was coined by another member here years ago during a discussion and it stuck. I used to use “Grammy Award”
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·The only reason I would use the word franken, is because the movements in these were mostly not from a SM300 initially. They are often from some less desirable model, and were converted to the SM300 by Watchco. If someone was trying to sell a vintage Speedmaster that had a Seamaster movement in it, most people would consider that a franken - I don't see these any differently in that regard.
I think it is an opinion more prolific on this forum but not really correct. Omega just spent about £80,000 on a Seamaster with the incorrect movement. I bet ‘Franken’ won’t be in the Museam description 😲
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·😲
I think it is an opinion more prolific on this forum but not really correct. Omega just spent about £80,000 on a Seamaster with the incorrect movement. I bet ‘Franken’ won’t be in the Museam description 😲
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