MikiJ
·Maybe we can get EdistoJim to chime in as he's got 2 of these.
IMHO using the term "terrorists" when discussing watches is distasteful at best.
IMHO using the term "terrorists" when discussing watches is distasteful at best.
I have also noted a difference in lenght of minute hand tritzio space.
Are both correct hands in your opinion? Or they have the same tritzio window lenght?
(courtesy of TsoloT's website).
Back to topic😉.....wrong hands also on this bicolor "holy grail"😁
https://www.chrono24.ch/omega/speed...-24h-rare-only-200-word-pieces--id7282182.htm
So am I, its a nice piece……….10 grand? I'll pass.
In my opinion both are correct. I've seen 3 distinct examples and I know the watches. They came from Omega that way but the archives say otherwise on one. They match up very close but the fact is that the backs have never been off other than when at the service center or at the factory.
Firstly you are quoting old information not current ...since the creation of the site I have had the opportunity to modify my information with lots of new examples sent to me through the site
Your analysis and comparison in reference to a 145.022 is arrant nonsense that massive production run goes on for nearly 20 years starting in 1968 ....how can you use such twisted logic to compare that with the grail was a very small production run composed of 150 batches in a very short period of 2 years
And my balance of probabilities is not your balance of probabilities suggest you look at normative distribution and the 1 -3-5 sigma rules. And your trite observation about binary is is diametrically opposed to your other point about probabilities
How is taking images from one source ‘the internet ‘ is not arbitrarily it is by any definition skewed and unreliable...You haven’t even begun to do justice to forensic analysis ...your approach is laughable
Then looking at 400 images [ tried your test and counting out the first main page I couldn’t reach 90 of which a number were my own images repeated where did the other 300 come from ?....is this a another joke .]
What filter did you use to eliminate duplicates and how did you manage to find 400 images of different watches which has a total original population of 1500 given attrition probably now 1300 ....are you are trying to persuade me that close to a quarter of all watch owners have decided to put their watch photos on the net ?
Where is your bench mark reference watch ? I used the 1985 speedymoon with a production run of 1300
In respect of the ‘Moonwatch’ reference...before I put my research to scrutiny by people such as yourself I take the time and trouble to actually examine real watches [I currently own 5 and have owned and have examined many more ]and unlike you I also spoke to one of the authors of the book you quote , who conceded that he had not done the research to any depth and that he had relied upon simplistic information which did not examine the construction of the watch just what was contained in the archives
So in summation you claim that HUNDREDS of watches with B4 bezels which never went for service [you claim that nothing had been changed on them ] have mysteriously appeared on or within a very small production of 1500 Watches run at a time when the B2 bezel was the standard and the B4 came in much later and which has never appeared in any published catalogue of Omega nor on any watch either owned or referenced by Chuck Maddox despite in all his and his cohorts very extensive and detailed analysis of this model over 10 years ago
Plus having seen in excess of 20 red dot and nos models from all over the world with varied delivery dates I have never seem 1 with a B4 bezel ....I am very sorry if someone has sold you a none authentic watch or you have service parts on yours or whatever but this posting of your reminds me of another grail owner whose postings were eventually stopped as he was becoming and more ridiculous over a fake Dial
Go buy the right bezel and stop this tendacious diatribe.
Finally your selective arbitrary and disputational approach completely ignores my first statement that the guide is not to be used dogmatically
Try constructing something not blowing it up ...advice to terrorists
The hands in the pic above appear to be the same length to me. Angle and / or refeaction from the bend in the crystal may cause them to appear slightly different.
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I certainly don't know everything about these, but i've never heard mention of two different style of these "slim" hands. What's more common of course is the fatter Mark hands .
More info about the Holy Grail here