Omega flieger watches from 1930’s - originality questions and opinions

Hello. I have a problematic interest in these old flieger watches, of all types. The Omega version seems to reside at the more expensive (for me) end of the prices of watches of this style than some other brands I’ve seen around. I recently posted a picture of the watch below in a thread about good omega ebay purchasing propects. Thread was entitled: (Recommended Vintage OMEGA WATCHES (only) On EBAY (NOT for Inquiries)

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Omega-Flieger-Pilotenuhr-Armbanduhr-1934/256046233254?hash=item3b9d8b76a6:g:B8QAAOSw-NFkPIU8&amdata=enc:AQAIAAAA4DLKcRDlkS8BqV64C+lJ14HPCS6JGf4CP8hFdXDTOSq0Xkd6crO10cHfDfqm4rbloTcNSwLZExmhjKynuTkHop17RkGlvX9BscgyYhJePzs10G8hHlW32B/csvJgwCo5jhMH6gWVXn/cfEm9jeNW1sWCBFuwWk1VFf3rWQREC7sRpz9kTev45j3BUWAxMTefiD+eu3shT1E1OjD/HBbZMC4aBIMniUlYBJh/2p2WzKjGaJhSab0z7Hpf0Xo3otHqCJorWTfD+0uJXfGYHIyCMIEWr5otJsmmbip63QvN9zUC|tkp:Bk9SR_i69L38YQ&pageci=441422d8-cf1c-465b-845b-3dce4948f030&redirect=mobile

I was stunned and intrigued when, after posting it and thinking it potentially worthy of someones attention (I had seen similar looking examples for double this price), a member here informed me that this was not an original dial. I never would have guessed. The same seller also has another listing but I think maybe it’s a duplicate listing.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Omega-Pilotenuhr-1934/256010514970?hash=item3b9b6a721a:g:TKcAAOSwRv9kEP8p&amdata=enc:AQAIAAAA4I40GyyzNcpJlOHUTDPQJkWclsmvQDikEGEgvUx2a9I/JEAPlMYBjtCu2wIgUsqZOYAXdXxU2RgTCZCewfa3Lxw7UPplfQTFY0PHC24xagEYvWwm4CPb2NoYrxBw5Qx9T82/hRS3f6IGzyWcjqj5gGvoZpmJjgeZMiXlF2MXpbZgOmno5Hpl4hBGAg+FZyL19BgPTUlC7pod5+siN6l0R2KAQyS28eQgEDIClAzfAvzseY6knGEQMpw+z0szFrfQgzIW+29/QfXWJa8Qcv6/VI2JLEQ0FD1CRGyLA+1IJJEO|tkp:Bk9SR_i69L38YQ&pageci=73792d55-aedb-47e5-80bd-4ab4ad31b1cf&redirect=mobile

in the descriptive write up the seller says: ‘Black dial with printed railwayman minutes, luminous Arabic skeleton numerals and luminous skeleton hands’ - also ‘Condition dial Very good (AA) and original’
am I being naïve in not understanding from this description that the dial is not original? What signs should I have looked for or a watch like this? Also why would someone change a dial like this? Is it totally new? Or modified? What are your thoughts? Do you think the original was once damaged beyond repair and needed replacing? I am curious to know.

i also found this listing (below) - and was wondering if anyone reckons if that dial is original? What are your thoughts in general? I am not looking to buy anything, but I’d like to be able hone my modification spotting skills for the future.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Omega-pilot-watch/285201078700?hash=item42674f19ac:g:V20AAOSwRApj-M5C&amdata=enc:AQAIAAAA4Nf35tvgVp8AObDqxwmbnIZN+st4Zw4R9i0WRw3mHasRvc/x0/mBgatpz6NEe3IGmdMBG1lJRz/NC2q+oLaIrr9NKZ5McJLuFlNC9NN0ppyFOyJfpCPEs/vJ3f6ZGxffp21w8RG2ZX8fd8DXaY20CasdrQlmult9fTrZZTire6lE9NUAP8KYcoccHF+RgKjGQplQJt0H8xjtVWY05OJsNDeJaA8ZSDRI65y7NZY/zGiRjjRErJJqq6sSzDOATdVaMo8eALKidVXBNzN4DXLAi6uSywbgNYqptQoN50Afiiyz|tkp:Bk9SR9TY5L38YQ&pageci=2f267d09-7e06-43df-834b-5f2f86913174&redirect=mobile

Lastly, as a layman, I guess this next one would look the most original to me at a glance due to the lume and sellers other matierials. Any thoughts on this one?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Cal-35-5-S-...1-c013-42d7-9151-208a9524925b&redirect=mobile

If you like repainted dials, why not ? All 3 are not correct. All repainted dials. The last one seems to have a generic case back as well. The non existing pics " inside case back " should be the red flag. The description is completely Bogus. Educate yourself about Omega sign fonts during the decades.... Then you will know.

Wow. This is amazing. Thank you. do you think the seller(s) are oblivious? Surely some of the prices are those of originals rather than molested.

Thank you @Vitezi for pointing me in the direction on the other thread.

Thank you, I will bare this in mind.

So then, judging by the logos, I'd say these look original then(?)

https://www.chrono24.co.uk/omega/pilots-watch-bj1934-delivered-to-austria--id21655860.htm
https://www.chrono24.co.uk/omega/vintage-calatrava-pilots-watch-ck700--id23417094.htm
https://www.chrono24.co.uk/omega/exceptional-vintage-military-pilot-30s--id6294624.htm

this one - original but relumed I'd guess:
https://www.chrono24.co.uk/omega/om...erman-pilot-vintage-luftwaffe--id15341549.htm

and this seller was kind enough to acknowledge a refinish job:
https://www.chrono24.co.uk/omega/omega-pilot-aviator-military--id25728970.htm

New area for me! I'm used to looking at the old zenith pilots and have rarely seen anything that looked suspicious. I suppose, Omega being a more well known (and possibly desirable?) brand, they are more susceptible to repainting for some reason. I know the Zeniths were enamel dials but I can't tell if the original Omegas were also.

reminds me of when I first discovered watches and bought a converted black dialled omega pocket watch conversion from ebay - and the logo seemed period correct but had been painted unsymmetrically. I was devastated when I saw it up close . I mean, it was still a great watch but the image of someone painting the logo and leaving it unconnected was hard to shake.

1 and 2 = ok. 3 = I would not touch. 4 = not a good dial . 5 = redialed. Most have broken inside turning pointer triangles. Which is a red flag ...

On a similar thread did Omega ever do a Flieger B-uhr dial, examples from others manufacturers.............

In AJTT there is a reference and picture of a military prototype timer and the flightmaster is similar.

Pls. Provide pictures.

As we know AJTT is not the definitive list so wondered if anyone has a true flieger dial Omega.

So, what new evidence do you have to offer ? First is a stopwatch. Second picture is not anything like it either. Maybe make it easy for you: Omega NEVER made a B Uhr like model. These fulfilled a need during the Wars. Omega was NOT on board. If you want to re-write the Books, pls. offer conclusive Evidence.