Omega Boutique Houston Galleria lost my watch and came through!!

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Back then, lets say: 10-15 years back, the services were just AWEOME!!...and i never seen such a lost situation....really i wounder what really happened to quality and Services??
 
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Did they give you a timeline to accept or decline the offer? Was it a take it or leave it type of situation?


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Once again, thanks for an overwhelming response on this topic. Everyone's opinion is different as to what "should" happen, which is why I posted here in the first place...just wanted to feel everyone out as to what you all would think would be a fair resolution if you were put in a similar scenario.

Yes, the manager's name is Robert. As I've mentioned before, I have spoken with him now several times. Truthfully, he has been kind and helpful throughout the whole process, very understanding of the situation, in particular how much that timepiece meant to me. His focus from day 1 of the loss has been, "I want to make sure you are happy". Given the corporate structure I understand there are things that a store manager can and cannot approve. After some brief negotiations, Robert has linked me up with someone from the corporate office, who just emailed me last night.

As for recording conversations, I don't think that would be very helpful for the situation in the long run. I'm glad that the Omega Boutique in Houston is aware of this thread, I was actually going to let them know of it as there are some good comments. Since the Omega Boutique Houston (and likely the corporate office) is reading, here are some suggestions for you all going forward:

1. I dropped my watch off on Oct 1st, did not learn that the watch was missing until Oct 27th. Four weeks later is when I learned that the watch did not even make it to the service center (btw it was shipped from the Omega Boutique on Oct 3rd).
2. When I received the phone call, it was from a tech, NOT Robert, the store manager. I would think that if 2 watches went missing that the manager would take this on and not delegate it to a tech who has no authority.
3. Perhaps from now on when they intake a timepiece they should assign an insured value at the beginning, like almost every other jewelry store, this way they can minimize disputes such as this one. I'm surprised they did not make this change when a watch went missing the first time!

I hope that Omega USA and I can seek an expeditious, fair, resolution. I will let all of you know what we settle on. As many of you have mentioned, there is no watch that can replace what my father gave me, but I do expect Omega to make it right.
 
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Once again, thanks for an overwhelming response on this topic. Everyone's opinion is different as to what "should" happen, which is why I posted here in the first place...just wanted to feel everyone out as to what you all would think would be a fair resolution if you were put in a similar scenario.

Yes, the manager's name is Robert. As I've mentioned before, I have spoken with him now several times. Truthfully, he has been kind and helpful throughout the whole process, very understanding of the situation, in particular how much that timepiece meant to me. His focus from day 1 of the loss has been, "I want to make sure you are happy". Given the corporate structure I understand there are things that a store manager can and cannot approve. After some brief negotiations, Robert has linked me up with someone from the corporate office, who just emailed me last night.

As for recording conversations, I don't think that would be very helpful for the situation in the long run. I'm glad that the Omega Boutique in Houston is aware of this thread, I was actually going to let them know of it as there are some good comments. Since the Omega Boutique Houston (and likely the corporate office) is reading, here are some suggestions for you all going forward:

1. I dropped my watch off on Oct 1st, did not learn that the watch was missing until Oct 27th. Four weeks later is when I learned that the watch did not even make it to the service center (btw it was shipped from the Omega Boutique on Oct 3rd).
2. When I received the phone call, it was from a tech, NOT Robert, the store manager. I would think that if 2 watches went missing that the manager would take this on and not delegate it to a tech who has no authority.
3. Perhaps from now on when they intake a timepiece they should assign an insured value at the beginning, like almost every other jewelry store, this way they can minimize disputes such as this one. I'm surprised they did not make this change when a watch went missing the first time!

I hope that Omega USA and I can seek an expeditious, fair, resolution. I will let all of you know what we settle on. As many of you have mentioned, there is no watch that can replace what my father gave me, but I do expect Omega to make it right.

i really wish you a good Luck with this!
 
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I'm sure Omega and/or the courier insured the watch prior to sending it anywhere. However, the insurance is not going to cover the 2016 replacement value, nor will it cover the sentimental value to you. It likely only covers the value of a 2009 watch needed service (as someone mentioned above). So they're probably offering you exactly what they are receiving, as the transaction would be a net zero to them.

I've seen a similar scenario happen to a friend of mine is a different context, with almost the same result. In his case, he had dropped his car off at an authorized dealership (in Texas) for an oil change, only to get a call that his car was stolen right off the lot. I think the only offer that he received was a reimbursement of his comprehensive insurance deductible plus a small discount on another car of the same brand. At no time was it implied that the dealership would "replace" the car, not even with a used one of the same model year and mileage. This probably would not have been difficult for the dealership, as trade-ins are acquired all the time.

He ended up with the depreciated market value of the car and of course, didn't consider that brand as a replacement.

Now back to your situation. The salesman's comment that "it has only happened once and after the incident that client was able to pick ANY watch in the entire store", doesn't take all the facts into account. What if that prior customer's Omega was worth more than any watch in the store? I'm sure that neither you nor that salesman knew the answer to that at the time. He likely had no authority to make such an offer to you.

Certainly, you should send an e-mail with all the facts to the head of Swatch USA, with a copy to their counterpart in Switzerland. I would mention your contacts in the media. Why not, can't hurt and can only help.

My feeling is that the best they will do would be to give you a credit for the amount they are getting reimbursed, plus a discount off MSRP on a newer model.

This is a bad situation for all, but I just don't see Omega coming out of their pocket for a couple of thousand dollars in excess of their insurance reimbursement on this without a legal judgment against them. I think the cost of obtaining that judgment (even if the law in Texas was on your side) would be far in excess of the difference between what you would otherwise get in a settlement vs. the cost of a new Speedmaster.

I feel bad for you, but I think it unlikely that the law would take sentiment into account in a case like this.

Good luck, whatever you decide to do.
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Gatorcpa, your posts here are consistently intelligent, rational and levelheaded, but I'm not with you here. They offer him a #$%^ing store credit? So if he wants a new Speedmaster (I assume they don't sell used ones at the Omega Boutique) he can pay the full retail markup, just as his father did in 2009, and they can make another tidy profit? Otherwise he can look to his own homeowner's policy, when he left the goods in the possession of Omega, who surely has its own insurance for this loss?
No, and no. At minimum he should get cold hard cash in the amount of the retail replacement cost for his 2009 watch. Though it would doubtless be far cheaper for Omega to simply give him a brand new Speedmaster. Or even a display model left over from last year.
One thing I've learned from this forum: Never, ever buy anything from Omega.
 
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For the measly price of the differential between a new and old Speedmaster (probably less than a thousand bucks cost to Omega SA), this is an opportunity for the Omega Boutique (which in my opinion are meant primarily as an advertising outlet for Omega SA) to show us, that they are a company that takes care of the people who care about their products the most.

I've probably spent this much and more to keep my buyers happy. This is a no-brainer, Omega!
 
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Gatorcpa, your posts here are consistently intelligent, rational and levelheaded, but I'm not with you here. They offer him a #$%^ing store credit? So if he wants a new Speedmaster (I assume they don't sell used ones at the Omega Boutique) he can pay the full retail markup, just as his father did in 2009, and they can make another tidy profit? Otherwise he can look to his own homeowner's policy, when he left the goods in the possession of Omega, who surely has its own insurance for this loss?
No, and no. At minimum he should get cold hard cash in the amount of the retail replacement cost for his 2009 watch. Though it would doubtless be far cheaper for Omega to simply give him a brand new Speedmaster. Or even a display model left over from last year.
One thing I've learned from this forum: Never, ever buy anything from Omega.
Makes me wonder why you are here?
 
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Sucks, losing a watch with more value than what's it worth in coins. Tragedy.
 
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Makes me wonder why you are here?
I'm interested in vintage watches, Steve. Sorry for my outburst. However, you don't have to be an experienced attorney (as I am) to know that the OP is entitled to replacement value. And Omega has plenty of experienced attorneys, so they know it too. To offer him less does not say good things about them. Again, I apologize for getting a bit woolly, I'll settle down now. 😀
 
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Gatorcpa, your posts here are consistently intelligent, rational and levelheaded, but I'm not with you here. They offer him a #$%^ing store credit? So if he wants a new Speedmaster (I assume they don't sell used ones at the Omega Boutique) he can pay the full retail markup, just as his father did in 2009, and they can make another tidy profit? Otherwise he can look to his own homeowner's policy, when he left the goods in the possession of Omega, who surely has its own insurance for this loss?
No, and no. At minimum he should get cold hard cash in the amount of the retail replacement cost for his 2009 watch. Though it would doubtless be far cheaper for Omega to simply give him a brand new Speedmaster. Or even a display model left over from last year.
One thing I've learned from this forum: Never, ever buy anything from Omega.
There is a big difference between what the Boutique is obligated to do (which was the point of my post) and what they should do.

I also wanted to relate my friend's experience with his car as it was relevant to the discussion and the incident occurred in Texas.

In addition, I wanted to emphasize the point that if the watch was insured for replacement value, then the OP would get that amount from his insurance company, not Omega, unless Omega wanted to make good on full replacement out of the goodness of their own hearts. That may yet happen. But I do not believe they are obligated to do so. The OP gave them something of value, they insured it for that value (we presume) and upon a loss they should return that amount to the OP, or a new watch. But I believe that choice is Omega's not the OP's. BTW, I think the OP should get cash from Omega and it's his decision to buy a new watch (from the Boutique or any other AD) or buy another 2009 watch, or to pocket the cash and walk away.

In other words, don't both sides have options here?

IMO, what should happen next is for Omega to write him a check for the value of the watch, the OP to get a settlement from his insurance company for the balance of the replacement cost and Omega to sell him a replacement watch at dealer's cost. But I doubt it's going to happen that way for a number of reasons.

This case is why it is so important to have the correct type of insurance on property with sentimental value.
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There is a big difference between what the Boutique is obligated to do (which was the point of my post) and what they should do.

I also wanted to relate my friend's experience with his car as it was relevant to the discussion and the incident occurred in Texas.

In addition, I wanted to emphasize the point that if the watch was insured for replacement value, then the OP would get that amount from his insurance company, not Omega, unless Omega wanted to make good on full replacement out of the goodness of their own hearts. That may yet happen. But I do not believe they are obligated under the law to do so.

IMO, what should happen next is for Omega to write him a check for the value of the watch, the OP to get a settlement from his insurance company for the balance of the replacement cost and Omega to sell him a replacement watch at dealer's cost. But I doubt it's going to happen that way for a number of reasons.

This case is why it is so important to have the correct type of insurance on property with sentimental value.
gatorcpa
I was assuming this was an ordinary bailment, and that Omega or its employees or subcontractors were negligent in losing the watch. In that case, Omega would be liable for damages, i.e., replacement value, and the OP would not be obliged to collect from his own insurer. Greyhound once lost a suitcase I shipped through them. As uncooperative and difficult as they were about it, they never pretended the situation was other than that. Anyway, sorry to get all in a dither. I'll move on now. 😀
 
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I'm interested in vintage watches, Steve. Sorry for my outburst. However, you don't have to be an experienced attorney (as I am) to know that the OP is entitled to replacement value. And Omega has plenty of experienced attorneys, so they know it too. To offer him less does not say good things about them. Again, I apologize for getting a bit woolly, I'll settle down now. 😀
No problem
 
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If this happened to me, i would directly talk to the manager of the OB/AD and see what he says ( the Voice recorder is on in the pocket ) 😉

Accordingly i will report the Omega

Cheers
Not legal in almost all states.
 
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I was assuming this was an ordinary bailment, and that Omega or its employees or subcontractors were negligent in losing the watch. In that case, Omega would be liable for damages, i.e., replacement value, and the OP would not be obliged to collect from his own insurer.
I think this is why we are saying different things.

I am assuming the negligence was on the part of the common carrier who was supposed to deliver the watch to the service center. Their obligation is to the Boutique who used their services.

You are assuming it was something wrong at the Boutique before shipment.

Neither of us know this, and unless it goes to court we probably never will.

I still don't understand how "damages" can be more than the value of what was given to Omega in the first place. But I'm not an attorney, and that could be true in some places.
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I think this is why we are saying different things.

I am assuming the negligence was on the part of the common carrier who was supposed to deliver the watch to the service center. Their obligation is to the Boutique who used their services.

You are assuming it was something wrong at the Boutique before shipment.

Neither of us know this, and unless it goes to court we probably never will.

I still don't understand how "damages" can be more than the value of what was given to Omega in the first place. But I'm not an attorney, and that could be true in some places.
gatorcpa
Yes, I agree, by "replacement value" damages, I just meant the value of what was given to Omega in the first place. But unless the express terms of the bailment state otherwise (which they often do), the usual default rule in a situation like this is that the original bailee remains liable to the bailor for any negligence of a sub-bailee such as a shipper. That's why I'm confident Omega would be insured. I also agree we don't know who, if anyone, was negligent and probably never will. But the standard of care is usually presumed to be high for those in the business of handling items like expensive jewelry and watches. Anyway, good luck to the OP, I suspect it will work out for him eventually.
 
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I am assuming the negligence was on the part of the common carrier who was supposed to deliver the watch to the service center. Their obligation is to the Boutique who used their services.

You are assuming it was something wrong at the Boutique before shipment.

The OP's original post said this:

"On Oct 27th I received a phone call from the Omega Boutique that they had lost my watch in transit to the service center."

I doubt an Omega employee is personally driving watches to the service center from the boutique, so I think your assumption is a solid one. It would then depend on what insurance, if any, the boutique has either with the carrier, or with a third party insurer. Doubtful that the boutique would self-insure, but I suppose it's possible.

Most carriers will not unsure items like jewellery and watches, so if there was insurance, it was likely through a third party like ParcelPro (there are others also). One exception is USPS registered in the US, which is good for $25k or $50k the last time I looked into it - can't recall specifically.

I suspect the delay in the notification to the OP was either due to transit time using registered, and/or time to try to find the lost package when it didn't show up. Now the entire insurance claim process would have to kick in, and that will also take time.

Interesting one and I will watching for updates. I think what Omega is legally required to do (reimburse the monetary value of what was lost), and what they should do in the eyes of most here (make the OP whole with a new watch of the same type) are 2 separate things.

Cheers, Al
 
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... my take on this ...

If the OB treats you like some sleazy greymarket dealer (JOMxxxxxx)... then why pay the price premium for them?

I think every decent person would expect a sincere excuse and a new Speedy (and a couple of goodies) for the trouble THEY caused. Not so much for legal reasons, but b/c it is the RIGHT thing to do.
 
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I can understand Omega offering the current market value of the Speedmaster. What I can't understand is them not being willing to discount the replacement model enough for that cash settlement to be sufficient. There should be plenty of markup in a new item to do that. All they forego is profuit on a sale and gain huge goodwill. Awful customer service.
 
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So I'm new here, thought I would join given the recent events regarding my Omega Speedmaster, seeking some words of wisdom. On Oct 1st I dropped my Omega Speedmaster at the local Omega boutique (Houston Galleria) to get serviced.

After quite a bit of brainstorming and discussion with my brother I decided that going directly to Omega would be the safest option for servicing my precious watch. This speedmaster was bought in 2009 and was a gift from my father to me, it meant a LOT to me. Unfortunately, my father passed away recently and it was one of the last gifts he gave me.

When dropping my watch off I made it clear to the sales person that the watch meant more to me than just a Speedmaster; and that I would expect that they would take good care of it while in their possession. I even asked them what would happen if they lost it. The sales person stated that in all his years with the Omega Boutique it has only happened once and after the incident that client was able to pick "ANY watch in the entire store". The sales person reassured me that my watch would be returned in like "new" condition. After all, they were charging me $710 to get the watch serviced.

On Oct 27th I received a phone call from the Omega Boutique that they had lost my watch in transit to the service center. They were still figuring out details about the loss and they would be in touch with me as to what would happen next. I was informed about the loss almost a month after I had dropped the watch off! (the package was sent out on Oct 3rd) I've been pretty upset about this loss, but I've also learned that there are worse things that can happen to a man.

During the past week or two I have been in contact with the store manager as to restitution. Quite frankly, my original Speedmaster can not be replaced, it meant more to me than a "Speedmaster". It should also be noted that the particular model has been discontinued. Regardless, the statement that the sales person made when I dropped off my watch was that if my watch was lost I would be able to pick ANY watch in the store. Big surprise, Omega is not keeping their end of this statement. I have also learned that my watch was not the only one in the package that was "stolen", there was another person's watch that was in the box as well. Omega will not release their name to me (obviously). So what's my recourse? Has this happened to anyone else? I have some pretty solid contacts at several news stations in Houston and have been seriously thinking about calling them. I was thinking about going to litigation route, but I'm sure Omega's legal team is larger than mine. I just want what they promised me when I dropped off the watch. After all, they lost MY watch. What they have offered me will not even buy a new speedmaster, it's a bit of an insult.

Any words of advice would be appreciated.

This exact thing happened to me last December. It was a women's Aqua Terra quartz silver model. Nothing to special. It was stolen along with several other watches. I was able to pick a substitute watch that matched the same model. I picked up a 38.5mm Aqua Terra quartz for my wife. She liked it but didn't love it. I just recently flipped it and bought her the automatic version of the same watch and now she loves it. It was a hassle but I came out ahead in the end. If it had been a more valuable and/or sentimental piece it might have been a different story. Sorry to hear about this. I was told by he omega boutique manager that these typ of things happen more often than I ever thought. Certainly gives me reason to pause if I ever send another watch to Omega for service.