new to forum, advice on UG uni-compax

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It's a nice piece, but I'm not entirely convinced that the red lines are original. Such marks are common in general, but the way they are drawn is not convincing to me. They aren't centered on the actual minute markers, and they spill out of the sub-dial in an sloppy way, even onto the applied metal marker.
That's interesting, and could def be true; I have been unable to find dial images which show any red markers like this one
 
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It's a nice piece, but I'm not entirely convinced that the red lines are original. Such marks are common in general, but the way they are drawn is not convincing to me. They aren't centered on the actual minute markers, and they spill out of the sub-dial in an sloppy way, even onto the applied metal marker.

So I think if you look at the previous post I have the original sale which actually happened on this forum; the seller states:

Dial: Original with nice even patina. Applied Arabic numerals. Right subdial has red markers at three minute intervals which were used to time phone calls.

Thoughts?
 
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You can use the watch I posted as well as a reference ...I’m struggling with the markers as well.
 
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I wonder if people added those lines using decals, the same way it was popular to add 24 hour numbers at one time. The dial certainly looks good overall.
 
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Agree ... the dial is fine.
 
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Agree ... the dial is fine.
Larry just out of curiosity what is your opinion in regards to the quality of these angelus mid century chronographs vs UG in general? Prices seem to be a bit lower for Angelus
 
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Larry just out of curiosity what is your opinion in regards to the quality of these angelus mid century chronographs vs UG in general? Prices seem to be a bit lower for Angelus

With respect to vintage watches, quality and price are not directly correlated. And it is very difficult to quantify "quality". These are all excellent chronographs. What are your criteria? Is an in-house movement a sign of higher quality?
 
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Dan S you are right quality is difficult to quantify, lol I am not even sure what my criteria is, which I realize makes me look foolish; I am not a stickler for in house movements, I guess I am looking for a movement that is robust, reliable, and has longevity and I am less concerned whether it is in house or by a second party. In terms of dial quality, case design etc I understand it is even more subjective. The bottom line I think when purchasing a watch like this comes down to is this something I want to wear a lot, and I am probably first and foremost drawn to design; both UG and Angelus designs are great IMO. It seems to me that there is more desirability in UG in the collecting community, and I think my original question was more geared towards wondering why that is
 
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Angelus is definitely a more obscure brand, and will never compete with a manufacturer like UG, that made a whole line of excellent watches over a long period of time. UG designs are timeless, and the terminology they used (Compax, Bi-Compax, etc.), entered the general lexicon. Nevertheless, I think it that Angelus deserves its place in a good vintage chronograph collection, and in an apples-to-apples comparison (size, condition, features), I don't think that there is that much of a price difference.

I currently have one Angelus in my collection. It's a civilian version of the 38mm Hungarian AF chronograph. In-house column wheel movement, gorgeous dial and case IMO. These sell for about $4k in solid condition (although maybe that pricing is outdated, I haven't looked recently); military-issued examples a bit higher.

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I think the solid gold Angelus chronographs are a great bargain. Not quite up to UG in level of finish but lovely ..
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I know this isn't UG, but I have found what appears to be a nice example of an Angelus cal 215; case looks good, lugs sharp, movement clean and correct compared with stock photos I found on fratello watches, pushers with some slight damage but not terrible. Price seems
ok at 2290; any thoughts on this example or these Angelus chronographs in general? I am think about it as well as UG.
I've owned that exact watch and can confirm that the dial including the red hash marks is original. Also, those pictures seem to be taken under harsh strobe lighting and don't do the watch justice. The patina is easy on the eyes and the watch presents beautifully on the wrist (in my opinion).

 
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Do you guys think it’s a pipe dream to find a decent condition, authentic uni compax at 3k or less?
 
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Sorry USD; and by decent condition I mean an original dial without a bunch of stains, and a case that hasn’t been polished to death
 
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I think if you shoot for a 35mm size you might be able to find one in the neighborhood slightly north of 3K. Honestly there is a lot of junk out there. 37mm ...that ship has sailed at your price point. Again we are talking about clean watches not spotty dials etc.
 
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I think if you shoot for a 35mm size you might be able to find one in the neighborhood slightly north of 3K. Honestly there is a lot of junk out there. 37mm ...that ship has sailed at your price point. Again we are talking about clean watches not spotty dials etc.

That’s good to know; I’ve been scouring around chrono 24, eBay etc and have found some wide variations in price, most are either in bad condition or with obvious redials. I’ll keep my eyes out and post anything that’s worth considering. I think my heart is actually set on the 35 mm size which is good news.
 
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SS, rose gold, yellow gold, gold plated, or chrome?