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I think the father-in-law has mentioned it to the local auction house (who are selling some war-time medals & other bits shortly) who suggested it might fetch £2- £4K?[/QUOTE said:
Tongue firmly in cheek here - I will give you £4K without you even needing to bother opening the back, heck I will even bully my sister into driving up with the cash.
The bezel alone is probably worth £1K and the bracelet another £1K.
If you do let the local auction house sell it at least make sure they have a good online bidding system and try to promote the auction too, You are too new to actually sell here, but a link to the auction would probably be acceptable.
 
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Thank you for your assistance so far to those who have kindly taken the time to reply.

My father in Law & I are hopefully to the Salisbury watchmaker this week.

Can anyone recommend the best London auction firm with greatest worldwide exposure to enable the best outcome?

Many thanks in advance, Mark
 
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M Markg68
Thank you for your assistance so far to those who have kindly taken the time to reply.

My father in Law & I are hopefully to the Salisbury watchmaker this week.

Can anyone recommend the best London auction firm with greatest worldwide exposure to enable the best outcome?

Many thanks in advance, Mark

Bonhams have specialised watch sales, and Watches of Knightsbridge are specialist vintage watch auctioneers. An auction house will take 15% commission off the sale price, so keep that in mind - quite a chunk of cash when you're selling a valuable watch. No harm in submitting it for a valuation to a reputable auctioneer though (be wary of local auctioneers who don't have specialist knowledge, like your one in Salisbury!) Alternatively, this forum is used by many collectors who will pay a fair market price and you won't have to pay the fees of an auctioneer -
 
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"local auction house (who are selling some war-time medals & other bits shortly) who suggested it might fetch £2- £4K"
always wondered how they make their estimations
pretty easy to find information when you are a pro
 
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My partner took her father to the jewellers today & came back with a few photos of the interior - attached.

The photo of the inside of the case is suitable blurry (doh!) so might have to go and get a better photo taken.

I guess its still impossible to confirm the model, based on these?
 
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That is spectacularly unhelpful lol. Actually I am being harsh but the blurry third photo holds the key, either get a better shot or at least ask him what it said. If he only put the back on finger tight you can likely spin it off.

The second shot is better though. You can see a 20.52m serial which is in range for a 105.002-62 so that is encouraging at least. Not definitive though.
 
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Well the movement number is helpful.

from the charts it looks like a rough production date of April 1964 and narrows it down to one of the below.
  • ST105.012-63 (Caliber 321)
  • ST105.002-62 (Caliber 321)
 
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I arrived home & my partner took her father to the jeweller today - she just mentioned in passing.

I thought these flash new iPhones took better photos than that - must be pilot error - will hopefully get back to the jewellers in the next day or so and get a CLEAR photo of the case back taken.
 
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I arrived home & my partner took her father to the jeweller today - she just mentioned in passing.

I thought these flash new iPhones took better photos than that - must be pilot error - will hopefully get back to the jewellers in the next day or so and get a CLEAR photo of the case back taken.

Good work. I realise my earlier post might come across as rude. I apologise if so, I've done that a few times lately, should perhaps tune my tact filter. It looks increasingly likely that my first suspicion was correct and you have a very original 105.002-62, which is a rare watch made for only ~ 6 months back in late '62/early '63. It is a desirable and valuable item. In fact I will stick my neck out now and say that I am certain that is what you have. Nice!
 
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Unless of course it’s the ST105.012-63. Anyone have some photo AI tech that can focus that image for us?
If that were the case, would it have a polished rehaut? The serial makes it possible but I think not.

Edit: I realise that answered here as if it were the 105.003-63 Ed White being suggested as possible for that serial. Of course it certainly can’t be a 105.012-63 since that is in the Pro case.
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Dear Padders,

Absolutely no need to apologise whatsoever - your assistance along with others so far has been much appreciated. No offence taken at all.

When Amanda mentioned off the cuff that she had been to the jewellers today (just after I returned from work) I was most excited.

And equally disappointed when I saw the photo of the case back..;-(

I think she is going to try to arrange to re-visit Saturday & try and do a better job next time.
 
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Yes it is realistic depending on the level of originality. If you are anywhere near Brum, I would be happy to take the back off for you safely.

Thread hijack but I'm near Brum. DM me if you fancy a coffee sometime.
 
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Sadly we are not close to Brum, but thanks for the offer of coffee!

Will post more photos in due course - it was good to see the movement & cover - even if the model cannot still be confirmed at this point.
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Dear Padders,

Congratulations - I think you were correct? Had the jeweller take the photos this time.;-)
 
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M Markg68
Dear Padders,

Congratulations - I think you were correct? Had the jeweller take the photos this time.;-)

very nice! Congrats and thanks for taking us on the ride!

have you made any decisions on what to do with the watch yet?
 
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May I thank everyone who has taken the time to offer their assistance on the journey - this forum is an incredibly helpful & friendly place to find!

The intention remains for it to find a home with someone who will appreciate it. I have spoken to Bonhams a couple of times & that will probably be the route to market. (I am well aware of the rules on this site and would certainly not wish to contravene anything.) They have an event 7 Sept, but would need the watch by 30 July which isn't going to happen owing to looming holiday.

Once we know a date for when the watch will be offered at auction, I will update here. Hopefully that would be acceptable to the site mods?
 
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Dear Padders,

Congratulations - I think you were correct? Had the jeweller take the photos this time.;-)

The congratulations should be pointed in your direction. I think you are already going about the disposal route the right way. A first tier London auction houses the way forward. It still may be worth your while speaking with William at www.speedmaster101.com since he has forgotten more than most know with regard to these.
 
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Many thanks to you Padders - it's been a fascinating journey which has been eye-opening. Your help has been much appreciated.

The original photos I took of the watch exterior were under bulb light - have taken a couple more in fading natural daylight - father-in-law left the watch with us today after trip to the Salisbury jewellers.

have a great weekend all!
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I will provide an update on this in due course - many thanks again to those who have taken time out to help on the journey!
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The watch may be selling privately without need for Bonhams - subject to inspection etc.

Will confirm mid August.

many thanks to all who helped on the journey - it would have not been possible without this great forum and the people who contribute, for which I am very appreciative.

enjoy the summer!
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