Need Help on this Constellation Pie Pan Dial

IcoRicci · Jul 21, 2020

Hi guys, this is my very first post and i'm happy to be part of this community. I know i have a lot to learn (actually a ton...) and i hope I can give something back to you all.
Here's the fact: I found this Omega Constellation Pie Pan dial in a gold c-shape case in a local vintage jewelery store in Florence

I took this three photo and I started my research, on this forum and generally on the internet. The watch has no box/paper. i couldn't find any match with this case and dial.

So i went back to the store and ask to have it open by their watchmaker. These are the pic i took this afternoon.

the caseback has no "omega" engraving, and i can't match the reference number 70/53206
Believe me this is going me crazy 😀))

this part of the case has beautiful radial finish, it's barely worn, only small sign.

The Pie Pan dial seems original to me, with onyx indexes, logo and star applied, contoured window date.

The movement is a classic 564, serial number 24M place it in 1966/1967.

So, Is everything in its right place or do you have any concern?
(my doubt is: do this Pie Pan Dial ever have a gold c-shape case like this one? If not, is this a franken or a complete fake?)
I'm eager to know what you guys think, in the meantime thank you for your time
Federico

Masterofkarate · Jul 21, 2020

Hi and welcome to OF!
Hm, I cant say I have ever seen a pie pan in a c shaped case. So my initial thought is that it is a franken. But on the positive side the pie pan dial looks to be in good shape!

Sherbie · Jul 21, 2020

Hopefully the real experts will be along shortly to correct me, but i smell a rat here, and i am afraid that your watch is a franken

i have never seen a C cased connie with that pie pan dial

please take a look at the thread on this forum called c cased constellation, and search google for an essay on c cased constellations on Desmonds fantstic site - hopefully the link below will work

http://download1582.mediafire.com/e9j9bx3v20yg/nwtxwmkgyfl/C-Shape+OMega+Constellation.pdf

Masterofkarate · Jul 21, 2020

I would have to agree that there is something off with the case to. Looking at the ¨convex between the lugs its is way to circular from what I have seen in other c shapes. Maybe there are variations, but looking at other cases they have a lot less curvature. But then begins the question. Did someone take their time to create a false c shape case in 18k gold, with a constellation emblem? It would probably be cheaper to source a real 18k case .

Zdzislaw · Jul 21, 2020

Hello there and welcome!

It is first time I see something so peculiar - case and dial both look good at the first glance and than ref. number on the caseback, which is funky for 564 Connie from this period.

For me it looks like Frankenstein.

Happy to be proven wrong though 😉

Other perspectives?

Sherbie · Jul 21, 2020

And some other thoughts........

shouldn't the case back be screw fit?

also, the connie medallion seems to be a different colour to the rest of the case back

its not looking good - sorry

Sherbie · Jul 21, 2020

Also inside the case back, Omega would always write 0.750 and not 0750 as seems to be stamped inside your case back

Could you show better photos of the back of he lugs - as there should also be 1 or 2 hallmarks stamped there

At the moment, i suspect that the case and case back is not gold at all

ConElPueblo · Jul 21, 2020

Best case scenario it is a local production cased Constellation worth approximately parts + gold value, worst case it is a fake case with Omega movement and dial.

Sherbie
Also inside the case back, Omega would always write 0.750 and not 0750 as seems to be stamped inside your case back

Could you show better photos of the back of he lugs - as there should also be 1 or 2 hallmarks stamped there

Remember that this only applies to Swiss made cases.

SkunkPrince · Jul 21, 2020

It were me and the cost wasn't an issue, I'd ask that the case be tested to verify 18K gold... and then take the whole thing and run like heck.

Eventually the case will either be authenticated or a new case found.

X350 XJR · Jul 21, 2020

I'm going with a "correct" locally made case.

Sherbie · Jul 21, 2020

X350 XJR
I'm going with a "correct" locally made case.

I hope you are right, but regardless, the whole shape of the case, especially around the lugs is completely wrong

so wrong in fact, it doesnt really look like a c case Connie should

NDLaw2009 · Jul 21, 2020

That case looks remarkably similar to this kind of Eterna case:

cristos71 · Jul 22, 2020

Quite amazing that a vintage jewelry store would completely dismantle a watch for photo's right there and then for somebody just showing some interest in maybe purchasing it...or OP are you perhaps already the owner/seller? 😗

Peemacgee · Jul 22, 2020

I can’t remember a locally made C-case case coming up before.
Possibly because restrictions on precious metals were being eased in the late 60s?

As for the OPs watch:
Good looking pie-pan dial
Pie pans don’t appear in C-cases
Snap back case
Significantly wrong shaped case
Medallion looks as though it may be applied not integral

So, definitely some kind of assembled watch.

Someone has certainly gone to a lot of trouble to produce the case if it in fact gold (as above, it needs to be tested)

if it proves to be gold and someone wanted a presentable gold dress watch with an Omega dial and movt then it’s would be worth having but I wouldn’t buy it as an Omega watch and price should reflect this.

ConElPueblo · Jul 22, 2020

Peemacgee
I can’t remember a locally made C-case case coming up before.

I am 100% sure that we have seen this exact case shape on a Constellation being scrutinised here before. I can't remember what was made of it then, but I would have remembered if it had been positive...

Masterofkarate · Jul 22, 2020

cristos71
Quite amazing that a vintage jewelry store would completely dismantle a watch for photo's right there and then for somebody just showing some interest in maybe purchasing it...or OP are you perhaps already the owner/seller? 😗

Thought about this to. If i asked my local vintage store to do this they would laugh as the gave me a good :whipped:

Bluedial · Jul 22, 2020

NDLaw2009
That case looks remarkably similar to this kind of Eterna case:

It does look similar with the exception that the lugs on the Eterna are slightly flared

STANDY · Jul 22, 2020

What are they asking for the watch. ?

IcoRicci · Jul 22, 2020

Sherbie
Hopefully the real experts will be along shortly to correct me, but i smell a rat here, and i am afraid that your watch is a franken

i have never seen a C cased connie with that pie pan dial

please take a look at the thread on this forum called c cased constellation, and search google for an essay on c cased constellations on Desmonds fantstic site - hopefully the link below will work

http://download1582.mediafire.com/e9j9bx3v20yg/nwtxwmkgyfl/C-Shape OMega Constellation.pdf

Very helpful, thanks!

IcoRicci · Jul 22, 2020

Sherbie
Also inside the case back, Omega would always write 0.750 and not 0750 as seems to be stamped inside your case back

Could you show better photos of the back of he lugs - as there should also be 1 or 2 hallmarks stamped there

At the moment, i suspect that the case and case back is not gold at all

I took only these photos, there are no hallmarks in the back af the lugs -_-
they tested the gold as 18k, but not in front of me

Need Help on this Constellation Pie Pan Dial

IcoRicci

Masterofkarate

Sherbie

Masterofkarate

Zdzislaw

Sherbie

Sherbie

ConElPueblo

SkunkPrince

X350 XJR

Sherbie

NDLaw2009

cristos71

Peemacgee

ConElPueblo

Masterofkarate

Bluedial

STANDY

IcoRicci

IcoRicci

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