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M'Bob
·Do you think the concept of Wabi Sabi can really be applied to watches...or just patina?
Just curious, if you feel like pontificating:
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Stewart A
·For me, I like to think that patina applies to a wonderfully aged dial.... while wabi-sabi applies to all the scratches and dings that I (or my predecessor) have lovingly applied to the case/bracelet. I am all in on the wabi-sabi. 👍
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connieseamaster
·Patina is for lume and bronze. The line between wabi-sabi and damage is thin and highly dependent on the watch and collector.
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Donn Chambers
·Certainly Wabi Sabi can be applied to watches - it is a philosophy of accepting the imperfection in life and accepting it as beautiful. No watch is “perfect”, even a brand new one.
of course, that philosophy will never replace the OCD rampant on these forums where every scratch on a lug, or imperceptible mark on a dial, or slightly misaligned bezel is met with responses of “Return it to the AD immediately! That is unacceptable!”
of course, that philosophy will never replace the OCD rampant on these forums where every scratch on a lug, or imperceptible mark on a dial, or slightly misaligned bezel is met with responses of “Return it to the AD immediately! That is unacceptable!”
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kip595
·I actually find wabi sabi much like wasabi (not joking) - the right amount on the right piece just accents all the beauty of it - a heavily used tool watch like a well-worn 1960s Sub, DON Speedy, etc - those scratches, dings, and dents are what make it so amazing after all these years. On the other hand, as with wasabi, too much can make me gag, even if metaphorically - a 50s Seamaster that has obviously been flung across a room and then into a running washing machine, as so many ebay examples seem to have been at some point.
I've mentioned before my dad was a professional rig diver back in the day - his old Doxa and then later Seiko - those had some goooood wabi sabi. Wish he'd kept those.
Then again, keep in mind I also prefer rat rods to hot rods, so take my view with that in mind - but if it makes you happy, sometimes that's all that matters!
I've mentioned before my dad was a professional rig diver back in the day - his old Doxa and then later Seiko - those had some goooood wabi sabi. Wish he'd kept those.
Then again, keep in mind I also prefer rat rods to hot rods, so take my view with that in mind - but if it makes you happy, sometimes that's all that matters!
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Larry S
··Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.Yes. My 2998-6 has it. It’s what I fell in love with and why I won’t correct it’s imperfections. My UG cal 263 sportsman also drew me in the same way.
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JwRosenthal
·A big bugaboo of mine. This is the only collectibles market I know of where damage can actually INCREASE the value and desirability of an item- tropical, spider, creme bruleé dial my ass, that’s damage!!!
I agree with above, scuffs, scratches and changing lume color (not dark moldy green or black) are natural parts of aging in a watch- perfectly acceptable and I do find it attractive. But anytime there has been moisture ingress or abuse, it’s damage- not patina.
One of my favorite old phrases- don’t piss on my shoes and tell me it’s raining.
I agree with above, scuffs, scratches and changing lume color (not dark moldy green or black) are natural parts of aging in a watch- perfectly acceptable and I do find it attractive. But anytime there has been moisture ingress or abuse, it’s damage- not patina.
One of my favorite old phrases- don’t piss on my shoes and tell me it’s raining.
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pdxleaf
·Wabi sabi works for grandparents, gardens, and old friends from the military and college. It doesn't work for watches.
By definition, i exclude patina lume from wabi sabi. People use wabi sabi to describe speckled dials from mildew, light mold, or aging unrelated to physical damage.
Given a choice between a clean dial and a dial described as wabi sabi, what would most people choose for the same price? Clean dial.
A little wabi sabi is acceptable. I have a UG with that. It's a recognition that it's an old watch and this happens. But it's mostly a compromise. Inherently beautiful, something to seek out? Nope. Unless it's Lauren Bacall.
By definition, i exclude patina lume from wabi sabi. People use wabi sabi to describe speckled dials from mildew, light mold, or aging unrelated to physical damage.
Given a choice between a clean dial and a dial described as wabi sabi, what would most people choose for the same price? Clean dial.
A little wabi sabi is acceptable. I have a UG with that. It's a recognition that it's an old watch and this happens. But it's mostly a compromise. Inherently beautiful, something to seek out? Nope. Unless it's Lauren Bacall.
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Dan S
·I think of wabi-sabi as damage that happens to be appealing to me. 😀
I can't explain it, but sometimes it happens.
I can't explain it, but sometimes it happens.
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Darlinboy
··Pratts! Will I B******S!!!wabi-sabi
NOUN
DEFINITIONS
1 A Japanese concept that involves recognizing the beauty in transience and imperfection.
2. A term used by dealers and private sellers to market damaged crap watches to ignorant buyers
3. https://omegaforums.net/threads/fs-...ndition-australian-edition-28-000-obo.125027/
NOUN
DEFINITIONS
1 A Japanese concept that involves recognizing the beauty in transience and imperfection.
2. A term used by dealers and private sellers to market damaged crap watches to ignorant buyers
3. https://omegaforums.net/threads/fs-...ndition-australian-edition-28-000-obo.125027/
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorwabi-sabi
NOUN
DEFINITIONS
1 A Japanese concept that involves recognizing the beauty in transience and imperfection.
2. A term used by dealers and private sellers to market damaged crap watches to ignorant buyers
3. https://omegaforums.net/threads/fs-...ndition-australian-edition-28-000-obo.125027/
Pratts! Will I B******S!!!
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mountainunder
·I am Japanese, but I don't know much about wabi-sabi.
The only Japanese people who really understand wabi-sabi are those who are familiar with the tea ceremony, Japanese gardens, haiku, etc.
I don't understand the relationship between old watches and wabi-sabi.
The only Japanese people who really understand wabi-sabi are those who are familiar with the tea ceremony, Japanese gardens, haiku, etc.
I don't understand the relationship between old watches and wabi-sabi.
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nonuffinkbloke
·I'm pretty sure that I once knew someone who had a bit of wabi-sabi??? 😕....... Can't be sure??? Anyway, meantime, here's some pictures of my 1960's Omega Speedmaster complete with my dear old Dad's wabi-sabi. Accumulated over several decades, out and about, at work in the "shite of London" and in the smokey pubs around the island of Great Britain.😟
This watch was never an ornament. It earned its keep.
This watch was never an ornament. It earned its keep.
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eugeneandresson
·Wabi-sabi 🥰
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M'Bob
·See, I always thought the “Wabi” refers to the imperfection of things, so while you could argue that once the “Sabi” or patina kicks in from use, the item is no longer “perfect,” watches by nature are created to start off without imperfection, so I would think that they really are not “Wabi.”
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Duracuir1
··Never Used A KodakSee, I always thought the “Wabi” refers to the imperfection of things, so while you could argue that once the “Sabi” or patina kicks in from use, the item is no longer “perfect,” watches by nature are created to start off without imperfection, so I would think that they really are not “Wabi.”
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Canuck
·Then there is wrist “slime”. Those of us who pursue the craft, encounter it frequently. Yechhhh! I was once sent a watch that had been on the wrist of someone who met their demise in a traffic accident. THAT. was yechhh! I took the risk, and gave it a sonic bath before I did anything more.
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