Is this watchmaker excuse legit?

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I don't know that you will be able to vet a potential watchmaker. To be honest here, we are all snowed under and many will just not respond if there are lots of questions from a potential new customer.

I think that it would be fair to ask for some agreements and this also helps the watchmaker. Let's say you send an Omega calibre 565 from the mid sixties, you could write, as examples:

Introduce yourself and explain that you're a collector who likes their watches to run consistently and with good accuracy.
The first watch I need looking at is an Omega Seamaster 166.020 with the calibre 565 and has low power reserve so it keeps stopping. I am happy with the crystal, dial and hands plus I don't want the case polished and would like to keep the crown even though it may not be water resistant. I'll just send the watch as I will remove the strap.
Are you familiar with the 550 series calibers?
Will you be able to obtain any necessary parts, and be able to spend the time, to make my watch run within the latest Omega specs for this caliber? I realise this may cost more but have some flexibility in that area.
Would you be able to give me an idea of the cost without seeing the watch and roughly when you would be able to take it on?

Don't ask lots of questions about lift angles and testing positions as it would take far too long to answer so you are likely to go onto the list of "definite non customers", plus you're unlikely to fully understand the answer.

Once the watch is with the watchmaker, you can agree the exact work.

I often receive mails saying something like "Dad's old Omega stopped. Needs service. How much?". Doesn't say if it's an auto, chrono or something oddball and no idea of the condition and expectations. Sometimes I wonder why I bother replying with anything more than "£300-£1500".

Good luck, Chris
 
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I don't know that you will be able to vet a potential watchmaker. To be honest here, we are all snowed under and many will just not respond if there are lots of questions from a potential new customer.

I think that it would be fair to ask for some agreements and this also helps the watchmaker. Let's say you send an Omega calibre 565 from the mid sixties, you could write, as examples:

Introduce yourself and explain that you're a collector who likes their watches to run consistently and with good accuracy.
The first watch I need looking at is an Omega Seamaster 166.020 with the calibre 565 and has low power reserve so it keeps stopping. I am happy with the crystal, dial and hands plus I don't want the case polished and would like to keep the crown even though it may not be water resistant. I'll just send the watch as I will remove the strap.
Are you familiar with the 550 series calibers?
Will you be able to obtain any necessary parts, and be able to spend the time, to make my watch run within the latest Omega specs for this caliber? I realise this may cost more but have some flexibility in that area.
Would you be able to give me an idea of the cost without seeing the watch and roughly when you would be able to take it on?

Don't ask lots of questions about lift angles and testing positions as it would take far too long to answer so you are likely to go onto the list of "definite non customers", plus you're unlikely to fully understand the answer.

Once the watch is with the watchmaker, you can agree the exact work.

I often receive mails saying something like "Dad's old Omega stopped. Needs service. How much?". Doesn't say if it's an auto, chrono or something oddball and no idea of the condition and expectations. Sometimes I wonder why I bother replying with anything more than "£300-£1500".

Good luck, Chris

Chris, very well done and nicely elucidates the collector conundrum when dealing with watchmakers. How much to trust they know? How much to ask without being annoying? It’s a delicate dance, and it’s like most other service relationships: when it works, and the interactions are comfortable, you know it quickly, and often, that morphs into something long-term.

I’ve been dealing with the same watchmaker for over 30 years. He has one of my 321’s now waiting on a service for nearly a year, I can tell at this stage in his career, chronographs are fatiguing him, and he’d rather just change batteries., so I’m not bugging him. That’s why I even started poking around for others that could service this caliber.

In the present case, there was a sterling reputation, referrals by others who had good experiences, a very high price tag for the work, so I figured, how much to annoy with esoteric collector questions? This is what they’re already known for. So, the lack of detailed and specific communication when a problem arose, the passing off of a high-quality outcome when in fact there was not, and repeated amateurish mistakes made for a confluence of frustration, disappointment, and time-wasting.

To be fair, they claim they would remedy the situation, but given what has transpired so far, would anyone have confidence in that?
 
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It’s always going to be a difficult dance, and a tough one to figure out. As an example, here is a pallet fork from an Omega 552.



You can see a groove has been cut into the jewel. I have chosen to change this parts, but others may not. Will the watch run without it changed? Absolutely. It won’t run as well and many people will never notice it or care about it. That’s not how I work though. I like every 100% correct, where possible.

Same thing for this train wheel. You can see a groove has worn into the pivot.



Would the watch run with this wheel put back like this? Yes, but again it won’t run as well. The choice here was to polish the pivot, not replace.



Finding out what level a watchmaker works to is difficult, and in some cases you may never know. At the end of the day a level of trust has to be involved, and as has been pointed out, ask questions.

A lot of people may not want to pay for this level of work, and that’s fine, I’m not really interested in having them as customers, nor do they want me as their watchmaker. So my best advice would be - choose a watchmaker that suits your personality type and the level of work you want achieved.
 
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It’s always going to be a difficult dance, and a tough one to figure out. As an example, here is a pallet fork from an Omega 552.



You can see a groove has been cut into the jewel. I have chosen to change this parts, but others may not. Will the watch run without it changed? Absolutely. It won’t run as well and many people will never notice it or care about it. That’s not how I work though. I like every 100% correct, where possible.

Same thing for this train wheel. You can see a groove has worn into the pivot.



Would the watch run with this wheel put back like this? Yes, but again it won’t run as well. The choice here was to polish the pivot, not replace.



Finding out what level a watchmaker works to is difficult, and in some cases you may never know. At the end of the day a level of trust has to be involved, and as has been pointed out, ask questions.

A lot of people may not want to pay for this level of work, and that’s fine, I’m not really interested in having them as customers, nor do they want me as their watchmaker. So my best advice would be - choose a watchmaker that suits your personality type and the level of work you want achieved.

Yes. We are lucky to have people like you, Al, Chris, Maurice, and Doug to demonstrate a standard of service that us collectors can aspire towards. Thanks for posting this.
 
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Why would he do that? He has presumably already paid quite a lot to have it serviced.

I guess it depends how this all shakes out: if they can fix it correctly, great, end of story. If not, I will seek at least some refund, and have to find someone else to do it the right way.
 
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I guess it depends how this all shakes out: if they can fix it correctly, great, end of story. If not, I will seek at least some refund, and have to find someone else to do it the right way.
@Dan S this reply from @M'Bob is what I had in mind when I posted my reply.......... 😉