Is this watch real or fake thread - aka Fake Busters!!

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The seller of this watchco hasn't had time to list the watch on his site yet, so all I have to base authenticity on is this single picture until then. I guess my question is, do high end fakes go as far as to even place the tiny omega symbol in the crystal? Its clearly visible in the picture. I have a price in mind as to what these go for (based on the last 3 months of watching about 5 sell and their condition) but to confirm what I feel it's worth I'd like some second opinions.

@BradleyJ. It looks like a seamaster made of genuine replacement parts. It does not look like a fake at all. You need to see a pic of the mechanism to be certain though.
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If this is what was busted, it appears to be relisted.
Maybe because he never says "authentic" or "original"; he never tell the names Omega, Rolex, Tissot and so on.
He surely knows that they are replicas; I've my 2015 Speedmaster '57 cal. 9300 on eBay, and he wanted to trade in all his watches plus a difference for my only-one-watch.
 
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Just got this in a trade (Seamaster 120m Chronometer, 2501.31). What do you think? It feels right and looks right but I've never seen the bracelet number "ST-823" in the center of the end link nor have I seen a case number so off center. Also, the stamp on the inside of the clasp seems light. Thoughts? I didn't have concerns at first but I thought I'd bring it to the experts. Thanks!

https://forums.watchuseek.com/f20/first-omega-4932391.html
 
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Can anyone confirm if this is legit? If so I'm going to scoop it up. I know it's usually better to get it with the bracelet first then get a leather strap but too good of a deal if legit to pass on. Such a beautiful combo with the blue indices and hands.

https://www.chrono24.com/omega/seamaster-aqua-terra--id10865270.htm
I have no experience with Chrono24 transactions. However, with your Omega AT at the above link, i do not see any real photos of the actual watch. They look like stock cartoon pictures. More worrisome is the seller is in Russia. I do not see that they have given them a "Trusted Seller" status. This deal would be too risky for me.
I would defer to any more knowledgeable OF members if they disagree.
 
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I have no experience with Chrono24 transactions. However, with your Omega AT at the above link, i do not see any real photos of the actual watch. They look like stock cartoon pictures. More worrisome is the seller is in Russia. I do not see that they have given them a "Trusted Seller" status. This deal would be too risky for me.
I would defer to any more knowledgeable OF members if they disagree.

Any doubt is too much at almost 2k lol. I thought the second and third pictures were also stock pictures but wasn't sure. I'm actually looking for a blue dial or black dial 2500 but saw this come up and had to ask.
 
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Just realized even though it says free shipping to the US they state you have to pick it up in Moscow. Too good to be true strikes again.
 
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Just realized even though it says free shipping to the US they state you have to pick it up in Moscow. Too good to be true strikes again.
It’s not black or white! Lombard means pawn shop. So they work only with cash and objects (not boxes, not bank transfers). And obviously if you are paying cash then you physically are in Moscow, and so you pick your watch up in person without needing a shipping.
 
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Just got this in a trade (Seamaster 120m Chronometer, 2501.31). What do you think? It feels right and looks right but I've never seen the bracelet number "ST-823" in the center of the end link nor have I seen a case number so off center. Also, the stamp on the inside of the clasp seems light. Thoughts? I didn't have concerns at first but I thought I'd bring it to the experts. Thanks!

https://forums.watchuseek.com/f20/first-omega-4932391.html
Here are the photos from the link.

 
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First posting, so this seems like the correct thread to post in. I have been wanting a genuine Seamaster for decades, and I believe I have finally found one I can afford.
Unfortunately, it is at a pawn shop, so no box, cards, or documentation.
These are seller supplied photographs and serial number. My fingers are crossed your members say it is the genuine article, as I have never seen this color combination.

Serial
number is: 60497618.

Thank you, ahead of time.
 
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I'm no expert but there are a few things that stand out to me. The bars at 12 aren't lined up correctly and it's doesn't have the bar at 3. The date looks off center a little and the print looks a little thin in my opinion. I believe it is supposed to have a red tip on the second hand as well. Also the one I found a picture of doesn't have chronometer on the dial. Just my amateur observations. Pic for reference
 
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I believe the non-chronometer is the quartz, and the one I found with "chronometer" is the automatic. Fingers crossed.
 
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I'm no expert but there are a few things that stand out to me. The bars at 12 aren't lined up correctly and it's doesn't have the bar at 3. The date looks off center a little and the print looks a little thin in my opinion. I believe it is supposed to have a red tip on the second hand as well. Also the one I found a picture of doesn't have chronometer on the dial. Just my amateur observations. Pic for reference

I believe the non-chronometer is the quartz, and the one I found with "chronometer" is the automatic. Fingers crossed.

@christopherw If the watch is the mid-size 36mm then the bar at 3 o'clock won't be there. And second hands fade from red to orange to white with time, so the watch may be due for an automatic movement service. It would be great if you could see the movement to confirm it's genuine.

Also, the bezel is just turned slightly counter-clockwise and can be turned to line up (usually). And, I've seen a few watches from that age with the date slightly closer to the center of the dial.

What I'm concerned about is the lume pip on the bezel at 12 o'clock looks raised or domed in the center and it shouldn't be. But it may just be the poor picture - the lume in the center of the 12 o'clock bezel pip is usually flat inside of the raised metal circle that surrounds the lume. If it's dome shaped I think that is wrong or a replacement bezel.

The minute hand looks okay but the hour hand looks to be slightly longer (or narrower) than usual for a 36mm (like one from a Seamaster 120), although can't tell from the photos. If you change the time to have the minute hand cover an hour marker, the tip on a 36mm should fall almost to the middle of the round hour marker, and the hour hand should come to around the bottom of the 300m / 1000ft line.

I'm not sure it's fake, but I'd have to see more pics of the bezel and have someone double check the hour hand.
 
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@christopherw If the watch is the mid-size 36mm then the bar at 3 o'clock won't be there. And second hands fade from red to orange to white with time, so the watch may be due for an automatic movement service. It would be great if you could see the movement to confirm it's genuine.

Also, the bezel is just turned slightly counter-clockwise and can be turned to line up (usually). And, I've seen a few watches from that age with the date slightly closer to the center of the dial.

What I'm concerned about is the lume pip on the bezel at 12 o'clock looks raised or domed in the center and it shouldn't be. But it may just be the poor picture - the lume in the center of the 12 o'clock bezel pip is usually flat inside of the raised metal circle that surrounds the lume. If it's dome shaped I think that is wrong or a replacement bezel.

The minute hand looks okay but the hour hand looks to be slightly longer (or narrower) than usual for a 36mm (like one from a Seamaster 120), although can't tell from the photos. If you change the time to have the minute hand cover an hour marker, the tip on a 36mm should fall almost to the middle of the round hour marker, and the hour hand should come to around the bottom of the 300m / 1000ft line.

I'm not sure it's fake, but I'd have to see more pics of the bezel and have someone double check the hour hand.


I'm referring to the two vertical marks at 12 on the dial not being lined up with one another. An I suppose it would be possible for the red to fade off the tip of the second hand but being that as far as I can tell there isn't a tip there to fade so I don't believe that is the case. Like I said I'm just an amateur but there is enough in the pictures of that watch to make me nervous. Just my opinion