Is this Watch real of fake?

koulourio · Nov 29, 2023

OneTwo
Oh I should clarify, I don't condone the practice I was describing. Was just illustrating a infuriating practice I've been reading about. If you're gonna buy, buy; I agree it's definitely pretty rude not follow through.

Hang on everyone. Lets chill out.

If someone is passing off a watch as a Vintage Omega and it is not even an Omega then I am within my consumer rights not to pay for it. The seller should have the courtesy to say that it is a "Replica" Omega or "not authentic" in the description.

I posted the pictures on this site to find out if it was some obscure model that I did not know about as there are so many Speedmaster variations out there including Japanese models. I wish it was real but it is not so why should I complete the transaction?

I will tell the seller that it is Fake and he should either put a blow torch to it or re-list it with a proper description.

koulourio · Nov 29, 2023

MtnMarine
Fake, do not buy.
Congrats on stopping to ask before purchasing though! A lot of people ask after the purchase.

kilofinal
so you purchased a watch on ebay but have yet to pay for it and it's in your possession......okay

No, I haven't taken possession of the watch.

OneTwo · Nov 29, 2023

K koulourio
Hang on everyone. Lets chill out.

LOL same. I was not implying in the post that was quoted that the practice, let's call it "parking" for lack of a better term, which I had previously described was in fact being implemented. I merely described a practice I read about which seemed familiar to the situation and then realized my language was a bit unclear whether I condoned it or not. So, I was clarifying my stance on the "parking" practice.

That said, for me, what did cause a little bit of the confusion and an unclear purchase practice was this statement.

K koulourio
I have purchased a Speedmaster Automatic from Ebay but I am yet to pay for it.

Would it not boil down to a binary condition? Either the watch was purchased or it wasn't yet purchased.

That's not to say that research / asking others with further experience regarding the legitimacy of the watch one is intersected in purchasing shouldn't happen, in fact there are many instances on this forum where it is highly recommended that due diligence is performed.

K koulourio
If someone is passing off a watch as a Vintage Omega and it is not even an Omega then I am within my consumer rights not to pay for it. The seller should have the courtesy to say that it is a "Replica" Omega or "not authentic" in the description.

I don't think the idea of one's consumer rights to being able to cancel/return the purchase of a counterfeit item is in question. At least it's not for me. IIRC eBay has a strict policy prohibiting the listing / sale of counterfeit items. Whether or not they implement practices to effectively monitor that is for a different discussion.

K koulourio
I posted the pictures on this site to find out if it was some obscure model that I did not know about as there are so many Speedmaster variations out there including Japanese models. I wish it was real but it is not so why should I complete the transaction?

For me, I'm reminded of a lesson and best practice I have learned the hard way: to not enter into any transaction at all before understanding the legitimacy of the item I'm purchasing.

I hope you have found some helpful information here in the responses and if I'm not mistaken this was your first thread & post on the forum, which if it hasn't been said, Welcome to the forum!

koulourio · Nov 29, 2023

OneTwo
LOL same. I was not implying in the post that was quoted that the practice, let's call it "parking" for lack of a better term, which I had previously described was in fact being implemented. I merely described a practice I read about which seemed familiar to the situation and then realized my language was a bit unclear whether I condoned it or not. So, I was clarifying my stance on the "parking" practice.

That said, for me, what did cause a little bit of the confusion and an unclear purchase practice was this statement.

Would it not boil down to a binary condition? Either the watch was purchased or it wasn't yet purchased.

That's not to say that research / asking others with further experience regarding the legitimacy of the watch one is intersected in purchasing shouldn't happen, in fact there are many instances on this forum where it is highly recommended that due diligence is performed.
I don't think the idea of one's consumer rights to being able to cancel/return the purchase of a counterfeit item is in question. At least it's not for me. IIRC eBay has a strict policy prohibiting the listing / sale of counterfeit items. Whether or not they implement practices to effectively monitor that is for a different discussion.

For me, I'm reminded of a lesson and best practice I have learned the hard way: to not enter into any transaction at all before understanding the legitimacy of the item I'm purchasing.

I hope you have found some helpful information here in the responses and if I'm not mistaken this was your first thread & post on the forum, which if it hasn't been said, Welcome to the forum!

I genuinely appreciate all of the feedback that I have received.

Annapolis · Nov 29, 2023

K koulourio
If someone is passing off a watch as a Vintage Omega and it is not even an Omega then I am within my consumer rights not to pay for it. The seller should have the courtesy to say that it is a "Replica" Omega or "not authentic" in the description.

No question the seller is either a scammer or is seriously misinformed.

What’s hard for folks here to grasp—myself included—is why you clicked to buy it before confirming its authenticity. You saw the pictures and clearly had questions/doubts. And you had the good sense to come to the OF and inquire.

Sorry to question your intent or accuse you of doing something malicious. Just… confused. What was the judgment you made? (Not that you owe me or anyone else here an explanation.)

Many of us who have dealt with eBay as sellers have had negative experiences where buyers win/ select to buy an item and then never follow through with payment, requiring us to go several rounds with the site and (almost inevitably) relist the item. If it was an auction sale, the second-highest bidder (who the reneging winner beat out) doesn’t come back: they’ve either found another item by then, or they’ll assume something must be wrong with the item, which is why it’s been relisted. It’s a huge annoyance. Your item is fake—by no means should you pay for it—but your actions follow the pattern above, and are also troubling.

You did the right thing—and we here at OF always love to see fake Omegas get flagged. You just did it in a strange way. If you can hold off for a bit, consider sticking around and learning more here before committing $ to a watch. And there’s a thread here where knowledgeable members recommend Omega sales on eBay that are (at least as far as any expert looking at a listing can tell) legit: that’s your ticket to paradise. But the price for a real Omega will almost never be “too good to be true.”

koulourio · Nov 29, 2023

I made a bid in the auction because I believed that it was either a limited edition reduced model with applied logos or it may have been a pre-1988 model that Omega decided to turn the dial face into a reduced size becuae it was described as vintage - I wasnt sure. There were 34 bids on this watch believe it or not so I presumed that other people thought it was real. The reduced is an unloved watch so it doesn't sell for a great deal and I like the convenience of an automatic watch even though this watch has a reputation of being costlier to service because it has two movements. I wish the thing was real.

I tried to find another example of a reduced with an applied logo but I couldn't that is what prompted me to check on this site to see what model the watch was or if it was fake. The first time an alarm bell rang was when I saw a comment on this site post-auction about another watch that said something to the effect "another broad arrow fake".

I still don't know how people can work out from photos of the dial face at least that it is a non-OEM watch. But that means that I don't know enough about Omega watches or watches in general. I would like to get to know more about them. I am always looking at review on youtube about them.

As for the auction the Seller hasn't lost anything. There are no shipping costs that he has paid out. I will ask that the transaction be canceled and he can either destroy the watch or relist it as a fake. Surely you cant dress up a Ford in Ferrari skin and pretend that it is a Ferrari?

Annapolis · Nov 29, 2023

There are folks here who count Speedmasters in their sleep. They know all the dial variations and can pick out minute details to distinguish a this dial from a that dial that make my hair hurt. You can take the forum’s guidance to the bank: that applied logo dial is bogus.

But even if it were a real dial, the case is wrong, and I’d bet you good money there’s a crap movement inside it that Omega had nothing to do with. I wonder if the chronograph even operates.

If you tell us a bit more about what you want and what you’re looking to spend, we can probably refer you to legit watches. (Unless you’ve got impossible expectations for pricing.) Jomashop has black dial Speedy Reduced watches for $2,700. Hard to beat that.

Folks here might try to steer you away from the Reduced models, though. They’re not taken very seriously by collectors.

ErichPryde · Nov 29, 2023

Great explanation.

As far as how people just do it- I think if you look at enough dials, seems like some members here have looked at so many speedmasters the fake ones just look fake, and then they point out why afterwards...

K koulourio
I made a bid in the auction because I believed that it was either a limited edition reduced model with applied logos or it may have been a pre-1988 model that Omega decided to turn the dial face into a reduced size becuae it was described as vintage - I wasnt sure. There were 34 bids on this watch believe it or not so I presumed that other people thought it was real. The reduced is an unloved watch so it doesn't sell for a great deal and I like the convenience of an automatic watch even though this watch has a reputation of being costlier to service because it has two movements. I wish the thing was real.

I tried to find another example of a reduced with an applied logo but I couldn't that is what prompted me to check on this site to see what model the watch was or if it was fake. The first time an alarm bell rang was when I saw a comment on this site post-auction about another watch that said something to the effect "another broad arrow fake".

I still don't know how people can work out from photos of the dial face at least that it is a non-OEM watch. But that means that I don't know enough about Omega watches or watches in general. I would like to get to know more about them. I am always looking at review on youtube about them.

As for the auction the Seller hasn't lost anything. There are no shipping costs that he has paid out. I will ask that the transaction be canceled and he can either destroy the watch or relist it as a fake. Surely you cant dress up a Ford in Ferrari skin and pretend that it is a Ferrari?

Dan S · Nov 29, 2023

K koulourio
I still don't know how people can work out from photos of the dial face at least that it is a non-OEM watch.

If you thought for an instant that this watch was legit, you are not ready for unsupervised buying. Don't take that as an insult, everyone starts out that way. But the dial on the OP watch doesn't look anything like an authentic dial, it's really bad.

Slow down and take some time to view a hundred examples, and soon enough a poor fake like this one will jump out at you immediately. You won't even have to spend more than a second looking at it before scrolling on.

X350 XJR · Nov 29, 2023

Why is this thread still going?

Ueki13 · Nov 29, 2023

X350 XJR
Why is this thread still going?

I guess because a simple question was asked and for some it became a moral dilemma/lesson/insult rather than just addressing the question or ignoring the thread.

Is this Watch real of fake?

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