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·Omega 1152 from the web
Looks like yours is a China clone of the Vajoux 7750
Looks like yours is a China clone of the Vajoux 7750
Is this watch real or fake thread - aka Fake Busters!!
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·I don’t believe any part of your watch is genuine. The overall construction and appearance of your dial is very off
Your photo
Genuine Article
Is there something specific you think looks off in my picture compared to the genuine article? I ask as I’m not great with fine details and don’t know what to look for that may indicate that it’s a replica.
I called the service center nearest me and they looked up the serial number on the caseback and confirmed that it does correspond to this reference, but I know that’s not a guarantee of anything.
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·The case back is curious. I've never seen a replica with the correct information on the inside of the back. The dial and bezel are off compared to an original.
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·The lighting and shadows in my basement make the dial look much darker then it is but this is as good as I could do for a photo of the dial.
https://ibb.co/F7d1w2Z
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·Can you please upload photos directly to the forum like we are? It preserves the conversation
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·yours
Original
Yours
Original
I still can't explain the case back.
Coupled with the Chinese movement, it would be a "no go".
Original
Yours
Original
I still can't explain the case back.
Coupled with the Chinese movement, it would be a "no go".
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·Not entirely sure about the legitimacy of the dial, but it’s not photographing well on my iPhone so I can understand the skepticism.
The level of detail seems consistent around the lettering for the words OMEGA, Speedmaster, and Automatic but I’m not knowledgeable enough on this topic to say for sure.
The level of detail seems consistent around the lettering for the words OMEGA, Speedmaster, and Automatic but I’m not knowledgeable enough on this topic to say for sure.
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·Let’s assume your dial is legitimate. The dial is in horrible condition.
This sub dial is missing paint and numerals
So much of your dial appears incredibly dirty, heavily worn, scratched, and missing paint.
Your central Chronograph hand is broken. You can see the polished tip of the post that the hand is pressed to, sticking out past the hand. It should not be like that.
Your central Chronograph hand is also bent and pushed into the hour/minute hands. You can also see the polished tip of the post sticking out past the hands.
There is plenty more but I’m going to leave it at this. On top of the overall condition, you have a completely fake movement. That alone would be a massive red flag and leave me questioning the authenticity of the entire piece. That said, what are you wanting to achieve with this piece? It’s either an all out fake or a franken/put together in very poor condition.
This sub dial is missing paint and numerals
So much of your dial appears incredibly dirty, heavily worn, scratched, and missing paint.
Your central Chronograph hand is broken. You can see the polished tip of the post that the hand is pressed to, sticking out past the hand. It should not be like that.
Your central Chronograph hand is also bent and pushed into the hour/minute hands. You can also see the polished tip of the post sticking out past the hands.
There is plenty more but I’m going to leave it at this. On top of the overall condition, you have a completely fake movement. That alone would be a massive red flag and leave me questioning the authenticity of the entire piece. That said, what are you wanting to achieve with this piece? It’s either an all out fake or a franken/put together in very poor condition.
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·Let’s assume your dial is legitimate. The dial is in horrible condition.
This sub dial is missing paint and numerals
So much of your dial appears incredibly dirty, heavily worn, scratched, and missing paint.
Your central Chronograph hand is broken. You can see the polished tip of the post that the hand is pressed to, sticking out past the hand. It should not be like that.
Your central Chronograph hand is also bent and pushed into the hour/minute hands. You can also see the polished tip of the post sticking out past the hands.
There is so much more but I’m going to leave it at this… on top of that, you have a completely fake movement, which for me, is a red flag that alone would leave me questioning the remaining authenticity… all of this said, what are you wanting to achieve with this piece? It’s either an all out fake or a franken/put together in very poor condition.
Assuming the case is genuine I’m happy to have the movement replaced along with the dial, hands, and bezel. Just wanted insight as to whether I’m dealing with a fake case too or just a frankenwatch as you stated. I’ll have to take it to Omega and let them weigh in.
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·At this point it doesn't matter. It's like asking if your fake Rembrandt painting has an authentic frame.
If you have purchased the watch and paid for an authentic, try to return it.
We haven't scrutinized the case yet because 90% of the watch is a Chinese replica. Assumption is that it will also be fake.
If you have purchased the watch and paid for an authentic, try to return it.
We haven't scrutinized the case yet because 90% of the watch is a Chinese replica. Assumption is that it will also be fake.
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·At this point it doesn't matter. It's like asking if your fake Rembrandt painting has an authentic frame.
If you have purchased the watch and paid for an authentic, try to return it.
We haven't scrutinized the case yet because 90% of the watch is a Chinese replica. Assumption is that it will also be fake.
The seller never hid that the movement was fake to be fair. I was confused by the movement being stamped with omega which is why I asked.
The dial is in terrible shape but I’m still not sure it’s fake, but that’s irrelevant considering I’m interested in replacing it anyway. At this point the case is the only thing I’m interested in saving and the only thing I can say for certain is the caseback appears to be legitimate.
I’ll have to see what Omega says but I appreciate everyone who looked and commented sharing their input.
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If those are your plans, I do hope you got this for free. I say that jokingly but also sincerely, as: if Omega even takes this job on, you’re in for a very expensive repair bill. To the point where, to me, it would have been more worth while finding an honest example. I could understand your plan if this piece had family history/sentiment behind it but as it doesn’t, my opinion is to just return it and find a good example. A full movement, dial, hands, bezel, and more is expensive. As an example, a Speedmaster Pro replacement case (by itself) through Omega is just under $2k. That’s not a direct comparison but it hopefully gives an accurate idea of what to start expecting. In my opinion, return it. However, it’s your money and if you do go through with it, I am curious for what Omega’s response will be.
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·If those are your plans, I do hope you got this for free. I say that jokingly but also sincerely, as: if Omega even takes this job on, you’re in for a very expensive repair bill. To the point where, to me, it would have been more worth while finding an honest example. I could understand your plan if this piece had family history/sentiment behind it but as it doesn’t, my opinion is to just return it and find a good example. A full movement, dial, hands, bezel, and more is expensive. As an example, a Speedmaster Pro replacement case (by itself) through Omega is just under $2k. That’s not a direct comparison but it hopefully gives an accurate idea of what to start expecting. In my opinion, return it. However, it’s your money and if you do go through with it, I am curious for what Omega’s response will be.
Zero sentimental value to me. Locally I cannot find this exact reference but the cheapest online version of this watch would cost me $2,600+ CAD, plus shipping, plus $500 CAD in duties, plus servicing cost as in this price range the watches aren’t watches that have likely been serviced.
Said and done, I’m probably looking at spending somewhere in the neighborhood of 3500-4000 CAD for a serviced, functional, original watch.
I paid almost nothing on this and won’t be upset if it’s a decorative paperweight but the serial on the caseback matching the correct reference gives me hope. A new movement is about $600 CAD locally. Omega SC told me that a bezel would be about $300 CAD, similarly a dial would be another $300 and the hands around $200.
$1400 + service isn’t too bad considering the alternative.
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·Access is through the top. Back does not come off. Take it to a watchmaker if you need to look inside.
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·Hi I recently purchased a ref. 231.10.39.21.01.002 Seamaster aqua terra and wanted someone with more experience with these watches to put eyes on it. I purchased it from a well known Japanese seller “closer0924”. I don’t really have any reason to believe it’s fake, all the papers, hangtag, and movement serial numbers match up but I’ve heard that even sometimes fakes can make it through legitimate sellers. I’ve attached some photos of the watch (please ignore the cheap leather strap I put on for work lol). I even went as far as to purchase a cheap timegrapher to see if the frequency was correct. I appreciate any help, thank you!
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·I purchased it from a well known Japanese seller “closer0924”
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·It’s real
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