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Is this the new Speedmaster?

amfalconer
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As you've mentioned an 'investment perspective' won't sit well on the forum, but if it were my money the A11 50th, if you can get a good price.

3861 will be mass produced in time, and likely discounted, as per the standard 1861.

The A11, whilst not my cup of tea has the new 3861 movement, and is a limited edition, seems popular and is a bit of a 'milestone' anniversary with more to offer then a painted dial.

The NTTD, I think has a limited market, it's a lovely watch, but the Bond thing isn't to everyone's taste.

If I were buying for me to enjoy, the new 3861 moonwatch without a doubt.
 
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Fred91 Fred91
As a first time purchaser of an Omega watch, which one of the 3 should I choose, solely from an investment perspective.
I know, this is not what you should consider. I'm just asking the question:

1. This latest 3861 Speedmaster Moonwatch in Hesalite. (Yet awaiting availability information)
2. Speedmaster Apollo 11 50th Anniversary in metal (Availability only second hand)
3. Seamaster Diver 300M 007 - No time to die edition. (Availability???)

None of the above are guaranteed to hold or make money. Two are not production limited and the other has been over-produced and is sitting at around RRP. You'd be safer with a Rolex.
 
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amfalconer amfalconer
As you've mentioned an 'investment perspective' won't sit well on the forum, but if it were my money the A11 50th, if you can get a good price.

3861 will be mass produced in time, and likely discounted, as per the standard 1861.

The A11, whilst not my cup of tea has the new 3861 movement, and is a limited edition, seems popular and is a bit of a 'milestone' anniversary with more to offer then a painted dial.

The NTTD, I think has a limited market, it's a lovely watch, but the Bond thing isn't to everyone's taste.

If I were buying for me to enjoy, the new 3861 moonwatch without a doubt.

Thanks a lot - it was just a question to stir up my own thoughts.
In reality, I will be buying a watch for my own enjoying and will never sell it. I for some annoying reason, just speculate about pricing over time.

For the A11 50th, to be specific, what would a good price be? I'm located in Northern Europe and I have my funds available on PayPal.
The A11 wins it for me with the details and imo their prettiest strap available.
If I cannot get my hands on this watch, I will most likely as you say, get the latest Hesalite 3861 Speedy they just released. Looks awesome from the pictures - really liking the strap.
The NTTD is pretty much out of the question for now.
 
amfalconer
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I don't know a fair price to be honest, I'm afraid, it's not a piece that interests me, nothing personal, just not a gold person.

It's got quite a following on here, so I'm sure someone will be able to help.
 
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Fred91 Fred91
Thanks a lot - it was just a question to stir up my own thoughts.
In reality, I will be buying a watch for my own enjoying and will never sell it. I for some annoying reason, just speculate about pricing over time.

For the A11 50th, to be specific, what would a good price be? I'm located in Northern Europe and I have my funds available on PayPal.
The A11 wins it for me with the details and imo their prettiest strap available.
If I cannot get my hands on this watch, I will most likely as you say, get the latest Hesalite 3861 Speedy they just released. Looks awesome from the pictures - really liking the strap.
The NTTD is pretty much out of the question for now.
For the A11 50SS which is listed on Chrono24 for 10.990 in Spain if you get that down to 10500 you would only pay 900 above current retailprice listed on Omega' website.

Full disclosure: I got mine at AD for 9.1K in 08-2019.
 
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Interesting with the subdials, The official website shows only the non-standard versions to have the circles and the standard hesalite/saphire to have flat subdials. Certain promotional pictures would suggest otherwise. However, those 'live' photos posted earlier would appear to agree with the official website that the standard models don't have the circles in the subdial.
 
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I'm also suprise that almost no one comments the DON bezel, and I sort of agree with one comment that in few years from now the DNN will gain value.


I do not see that big of a difference...

I wish Omega would have made a more obvious way of differentiating the bezels. But by the initial looks of it, the best way might be to have a look at the roundness of the "C"

Just as the Moonwatch Only book explains it, the old ones have a narrow C while the newer bezels have a wider C, this looks to be true here as well. Also note how it almost overlaps with the A. Here is a quick copy-paste comparison between the shot from Hodinkee (top) and an old DON (bottom):

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Capt Cave Man
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Fred91 Fred91
As a first time purchaser of an Omega watch, which one of the 3 should I choose, solely from an investment perspective.
I know, this is not what you should consider. I'm just asking the question:

1. This latest 3861 Speedmaster Moonwatch in Hesalite. (Yet awaiting availability information)
2. Speedmaster Apollo 11 50th Anniversary in metal (Availability only second hand)
3. Seamaster Diver 300M 007 - No time to die edition. (Availability???)

1. I'll eventually pickup one up in a year or four, just undecided if it will be hesalite or sapphire.
2. I managed to pick one up from my AD before September's increase so £7,370 rather than £8,250 (if you can get one now).
3. I like it but won't be buying, just personal choice.

As to an investment... it's pot luck on what will be in demand in umpteen years. For me the A11 50th just stood out, that and the achievement's it was commemorating.
 
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Do you think we'll see a 3861 in a straight lug Speedy? I've just been more partial to that case style, but am really excited about the new movement.
 
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leetse2 leetse2
Do you think we'll see a 3861 in a straight lug Speedy? I've just been more partial to that case style, but am really excited about the new movement.
Sounds like an update to FOIS. Seems plausible.
 
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I don't think we'll see one for a few years since that design is too close to the 321 EW. Omega is going to want to milk the 321 first before introducing a straight lug style 3861.
 
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Looks like they fixed the lume more or less to how it ended in 96 when they started with those sterile white SL dials 👍👍👍

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Eve
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leetse2 leetse2
Do you think we'll see a 3861 in a straight lug Speedy? I've just been more partial to that case style, but am really excited about the new movement.
Who knows, maybe the new ST3 will have straight lugs 😗
 
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Hamish02 Hamish02
Interesting with the subdials, The official website shows only the non-standard versions to have the circles and the standard hesalite/saphire to have flat subdials. Certain promotional pictures would suggest otherwise. However, those 'live' photos posted earlier would appear to agree with the official website that the standard models don't have the circles in the subdial.

As posted earlier here, also on the Omega Website and their promotional pics, you will find the ripples on the subials. Often those are hard to see, even on vintage watches. But they are there!

watch beginning second 20 to see the "transition" of the saphire one and around second 33 for the plexi one ( watch full screen and best quality. Best to see in the left sub).

 
amfalconer
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I mentioned this in the fakebusters thread, my 1861 doesn't have them, (at least not under 20x magnification) despite showing in the website. the textured finish of the dial surely makes it impossible, and seemingly the same with these wrist shots. I'd like to see if anyone else with a modern moonwatch can photo them.
 
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Mine doesn’t have them. But at certain angles and light I can see a hint of the concentric circles under magnification.
 
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JimJupiter JimJupiter
As posted earlier here, also on the Omega Website and their promotional pics, you will find the ripples on the subials. Often those are hard to see, even on vintage watches. But they are there!

Honestly, the circles are quite easy to see on 60s-onwards Speedmasters. They are typically much finer, though. I suspect that the grooved are probably present on the 2021 dial, but the paint finish has reduced the definition of those lines, just as it has reduced the definition of the step and made it look soft. It's possible the black paint is of a very thick consistency, and that is why the sharp edges of the dial have been seemingly dulled so much.

Isac Isac
I wish Omega would have made a more obvious way of differentiating the bezels. But by the initial looks of it, the best way might be to have a look at the roundness of the "C"

Just as the Moonwatch Only book explains it, the old ones have a narrow C while the newer bezels have a wider C, this looks to be true here as well. Also note how it almost overlaps with the A. Here is a quick copy-paste comparison between the shot from Hodinkee (top) and an old DON (bottom):

7yYPaEq.jpeg
The new bezels lack the serifs that the original DONs have. It should be pretty easy to tell the difference once you know what you're looking for in that regard.
 
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I just looked at my FOIS under a 10x and you could’ve blown me sideways. The rings are there on the subdials but they are under a layer of whatever they coat the dial in. You need the perfect angle, and oblique light to see it, but it’s there.

I’d bet the new moonwatch is the same deal.
 
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Onemanintime Onemanintime
I just looked at my FOIS under a 10x and you could’ve blown me sideways. The rings are there on the subdials but they are under a layer of whatever they coat the dial in. You need the perfect angle, and oblique light to see it, but it’s there.

I’d bet the new moonwatch is the same deal.

They're also visible on my FOIS, seemingly more so than on my Pro, although that may be due to variables like lighting, different camera, etc.

On the Longines BigEye, the snailing of the subdials is prominent in review photos, but really only obvious with magnification IRL. I agree that the lacquer used may impact this. it does seem to be well done, if subtle, with even spacing and sharp edges.
 
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