Is this the new Speedmaster?

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Dont get the applied vs painted logo. Why not have the hesalite applied logo option?

I thought this scenario would eventuate.
The Hesalite has effectively been relegated to a downgraded/economy model. IMO.

Very disappointing but not unexpected as there has always been a bit of push toward a more "upmarket" Saphire variant with a correspondingly higher price point that effectively is squeezing out/marginalising the Hesalite.
Further.
There is no logical reason why the applied logo dial can't be fitted to a Hesalite variant, as if we need any more evidence that Omega are actively engaged in a program to Rolex up.
Very disapointing馃憥

It would've been really, really nice to have an applied logo on the Hesalite to coincide with the introduction of the new movement.
It's simply a mean act on the part of Omega馃檨
 
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I thought this scenario would eventuate.
The Hesalite has effectively been relegated to a downgraded/economy model. IMO.

Very disappointing but not unexpected as there has always been a bit of push toward a more "upmarket" Saphire variant with a correspondingly higher price point that effectively is squeezing out/marginalising the Hesalite.
Further.
There is no logical reason why the applied logo dial can't be fitted to a Hesalite variant, as if we need any more evidence that Omega are actively engaged in a program to Rolex up.
Very disapointing馃憥

It would've been really, really nice to have an applied logo on the Hesalite to coincide with the introduction of the new movement.
It's simply a mean act on the part of Omega馃檨
Likewise, I was surprised - and disappointed - when Omega went from an applied logo to a printed logo on the new SMPc and raised the price by 20%.
 
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The applied logo (I really don't like its design) version seems to have a display caseback (I don't know if it was precised in the thread before)...

Ii think it is a given that it will be a Saphire sandwich offering馃槈
 
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I thought this scenario would eventuate.
The Hesalite has effectively been relegated to a downgraded/economy model. IMO.

Very disappointing but not unexpected as there has always been a bit of push toward a more "upmarket" Saphire variant with a correspondingly higher price point that effectively is squeezing out/marginalising the Hesalite.
Further.
There is no logical reason why the applied logo dial can't be fitted to a Hesalite variant, as if we need any more evidence that Omega are actively engaged in a program to Rolex up.
Very disapointing馃憥

It would've been really, really nice to have an applied logo on the Hesalite to coincide with the introduction of the new movement.
It's simply a mean act on the part of Omega馃檨
No idea why couldn't they've just release a sapphire crystal with the same dome design as the Hesalite. Perhaps then people will stop complaining about not having Hesalite? They would only need to have one watch model instead of two.
 
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Are they keeping the new and old models going? All appear on the Omega site.

That happens with Omega as it fully caters for the unsold stock(NOS) which may be found at dealerships in the short term.
For example the Silver Snoopy was on the website for a long time after it was totally unavailable at dealers, other examples abound.
 
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Adding to this theme:

Close one eye, and the new 10k sapphire looks quite expensive; but close the other eye, and the $14k cal.321 now looks more reasonable

Yep. And the Snoopy 3, which adds a splash of colour, ceramic bezel, applied indices and a fancy casebook animation, seems like slightly less of a stretch, at roughly a CAD 3k premium over the sapphire (and 6k less than the 321). Step up, step up, Omega bargains for all!
 
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No idea why couldn't they've just release a sapphire crystal with the same dome design as the Hesalite. Perhaps then people will stop complaining about not having Hesalite? They would only need to have one watch model instead of two.

It's like having the same car on offer at the dealership but with a different/optional engine configuration.
Your choice of either the 4.9 litre V8 or the top of the range with a 5.8 litre V8.
Or for the more modern era, a Turbo 4 banger vs a 5 litre GT.

It's just about offering a product at a different price point.
 
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No idea why couldn't they've just release a sapphire crystal with the same dome design as the Hesalite. Perhaps then people will stop complaining about not having Hesalite? They would only need to have one watch model instead of two.

Hesalite has different optical properties (especially Refractive Index) and weight. Yes, shape matters, but there's lot more to this. It is a very different experience. I personally love the plastic! Choice is great. Some of us would be very unhappy if Hesalite goes away. If both models were priced the same, I would pick the Hesalite any day.
 
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I really like the new bracelet & think I鈥檒l inquire how much it will be to buy separately, I鈥檒l probably need to be sitting down when I find out & Presuming it will fit the 1861.
 
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I really like the new bracelet & think I鈥檒l inquire how much it will be to buy separately, I鈥檒l probably need to be sitting down when I find out & Presuming it will fit the 1861.
I鈥檓 not sure - I presume it has the ridge like the other 3861 cases/bracelet.....
 
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"For all manned space missions", indeed. But what caught my attention was this "in 1965". Perhaps the "leak", which had "human" on the caseback was intentional. Get everybody worked up about human vs manned and let Omega get the attention away from "in 1965". Which brings us to the question - why "in 1965"? Logic answer would be that there is no NASA flight qualification for the new 3861. Or perhaps Omega would like to argue that "in 1965" was only added to keep "manned" (logic there would be that when qualified in 1965, then at that point "manned space missions" was the official term, i.e. Omega is using period correct wording)?

It's a cheesy attempt to provide some sort of a link for the 3861 to the original "type approval" the Speedy obtained through NASA.
The 1861 was a slight stretch as it only went to the moon in a 861 variant as part of an experiment and never landed on the moon, but the new Co-axial is in another realm with the metal certification.
Perhaps it will become routine for them to be used on EVA'S in the fullness of time just as the 1861's are now馃槈
 
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I really like the new bracelet & think I鈥檒l inquire how much it will be to buy separately, I鈥檒l probably need to be sitting down when I find out & Presuming it will fit the 1861.

My guess would be around 700 USD, similar to most other speedmaster bracelets. It does look great. I would put the all brushed version on ST1.
 
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It's a transport box for the watch and, when fully folded open, neatly stowed in the larger box where it is holding the watch.
Check out the Snoopy III reviews for more details. It is a smart approach.

Certainly a novel approach馃憥
 
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It鈥檚 only me see the bracelet as a homage to Rolex Jubilee?
 
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The question is: Will this be the first watch/caliber worn on Mars?
PS The old AML is classy, the new one is just fat. 馃槈
 
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For me, only the look of the bracelet is a huge improvement. Adding METAS 3681 and some discount, and I'm in.
I'll try to buy this bracelet for my incoming Snoopy.
 
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Clasp is part #025STZ007387, and yes it's very similar to that one.

So it's like the 45th Silver Snoopy offering then馃槈
 
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So the movement technology in the last 2 decades is what if you are spruiking it.

?????

@Archer has had many posts and threads on the difference between a 3861 and the 1861 and it鈥檚 not anything as technology advanced as you think.

The 1861 I have at the moment isn鈥檛 far off from a few seconds a day so maybe get your 10s a day ones regulated.....

Also the airport security magnetic thing is a myth that鈥檚 been busted many a time here. Suppose it was the X-ray was it ?? Or is it the IPad or Mac you talk about here

So help us understand your rationale here, on that "regulation needed to make a 1861 accurate" perspective which you & others have voiced. Is that somehow a feather in the cap of the 1861?

If you're a NASA astronaut, or work in equipment acquisition/maintenance for NASA, would you want to:

Option 1: receive a timing instrument that works 0-5 seconds accuracy out of the box from the supplier, no intervention needed?

Option 2: receive a timing instrument that works -1 to +11 seconds accuracy out of box, but could be improved after you take it to a local watchmaker to get it regulated? Because we're not busy enough with figuring out moon landings and living our lives, and have time to take flight instruments to first get regulated before pressing into service?

As for the airport thing: with 2 flights every week for years on end before COVID, I got around to testing a few variables like using vs not using iPads & laptops in flight. The only consistent variable I found for when that Reverso would get magnetized was whether I went through the TSA-Pre scan cylinder, versus taking the watch off and running it the traditional carry-on scan. Maybe I've got a bad habit of holding my wrist too close to the rotating TSA-Pre scanner while holding my arms up in the air?

The only consolation upside to having a watch that frequently got magnetized was that I ended up carrying one of those blue, portable demagnitizers with me in my carry-on. That occasionally led to cool conversations with fellow WIS, who spotted me using that blue demag gadget in airport lounges. They instantly recognized what I was doing, and we'd strike a fun chat about our watch collections. But on the whole, I'd much prefer a watch that I never have to worry about being magnetized during routine travel & daily use.

Why are fellow forum members getting upset that our 1861 movements have been replaced by newer technology? I never get defensive and go on the offensive, when a product I own gets replaced by something else that performs better, and others are voicing their appreciation of the newer product.

If Ferrari/Alfa introduced a new version of the 690t engine so that it can do 35 MPG, instead of the 8 MPG I currently get when I drive it in Race mode... or doubled the service intervals on some of its components... I'd welcome the newer tech with open arms! Huzzah for progress.
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Which Ferrari model uses the Alfa 690t? 馃槈
 
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If you're a NASA astronaut, or work in equipment acquisition/maintenance for NASA, would you want to:

Option 1: receive a timing instrument that works 0-5 seconds accuracy out of the box from the supplier, no intervention needed?

Option 2: receive a timing instrument that works -1 to +11 seconds accuracy out of box, but could be improved after you take it to a local watchmaker to get it regulated? Because we're not busy enough with figuring out moon landings and living our lives, and have time to take flight instruments to first get regulated before pressing into service?

Honestly, if your a NASA astronaut you probably wouldn't care either way since you are no longer issued a mechanical Speedmaster for your mission and you no longer wear one during your EVA as Mission Control provides you 6 time check updates per hour during your spacewalk.