Is this the new Speedmaster?

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"For all manned space missions", indeed. But what caught my attention was this "in 1965". Perhaps the "leak", which had "human" on the caseback was intentional. Get everybody worked up about human vs manned and let Omega get the attention away from "in 1965". Which brings us to the question - why "in 1965"? Logic answer would be that there is no NASA flight qualification for the new 3861. Or perhaps Omega would like to argue that "in 1965" was only added to keep "manned" (logic there would be that when qualified in 1965, then at that point "manned space missions" was the official term, i.e. Omega is using period correct wording)?

I was thinking the same thing, either to test the water to see how that kind of a change would go, or as you said get folks worked up so they scoop up old stock in advance of the new model. I'd figure more of the latter and would guess that it worked as I got one, not just about the caseback change but because I wanted the current and what I consider more classic piece.

I am glad they kept period correct terminology for the caseback, but the addition of the date just seems odd, I can only figure it was done to balance out the spacing of the text on the back. Someone said "human" was the current terminology according to the NASA style guide, you could be right though in that by their adding the date NASA was ok with them using the older terminology, but I wonder how much say NASA even has or cares or if its more of a courtesy thing.
 
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Of course 😟

I thought maybe the admitted notion of “hand-holding” was diminutive enough for politeness, but certainly see no harm in doubling down 😁

Please hand-hold me through your perpetual motion machine whereby traveling between Dublin and London, post-Brexit, will shower you with 1k cheaper speedys? 🤔

My understanding is a Speedy can be bought duty free in Heathrow when traveling to the EU post-Brexit. And if you've ever come through Dublin customs you'll notice a very lax attitude of duty officers there (in either terminal). The chances they'd challenge me are close to nil.

I recognize not declaring the purchase is morally unsound. But I've had a word with my conscience and we'd be fine with it in this instance.
 
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I agree with you. The previous hesalite was £4260 and Sapphire was £5k.

So the hesalite has increased by 26% and the Sapphire by 22%.

I don't think either of these newer models are worth that much of a price hike to be honest.

If you can get a decent AD discount down the line once the hype has gone down it might make it easier to swallow
 
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And if you've ever come through Dublin customs you'll notice a very lax attitude of duty officers there (in either terminal).

I have been through Dublin customs, and remember it as fondly as I do choosing to not wait in the line at Blarney Castle.


I recognize not declaring the purchase is morally unsound. But I've had a word with my conscience and we'd be fine with it in this instance.

You see, that you’d had this little talk with your conscience was the piece of the puzzle that I wasn’t quite tracking amongst the gears of the perpetual motion machine.

But such little talks with ones’ conscience are the spirit I came to love about Ireland; so much so, we made a second son whilst visiting there, and named him Cormac in honor of having not stood in line to see the Blarney Stone.
 
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Let's hope they don't limit stock and go down the Rolex route with them becoming impossible to get unless you have good history with an AD and resale values going through the roof.
 
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I don't get the people saying the price hike is ok? If I recall the previous price correctly it's a jump of more than 20%.

Very few brands/markets can afford a price hike like this one without losing a huge amount of customers. Not even Rolex raised the price of their new Submariner by this much.

Yeah, not as if there are any improvements to go along with that price hike, eh 🙄
 
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Maybe I’m sour grapes, but I don’t like the new bracelet tapering and clasp
And I was hoping for the sapphire to not have the thick milky ring, but from the videos it looks like they still have those? no real reason for me to ‘upgrade’, then.
 
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Yep, got mine in 2017 for a smidge over AU$5k.

This is a hefty increase - I know it’s an improved movement, etc, etc. but if I had $10k spare at the moment I’d be looking at other models and different brands and buying 2 or 3. Happy to stick with my 1861 for now, +6 seconds is fine by me 😉

I agree. Around a 2k increase here over the outgoing series, tho the steel Hesalite model is CAD 3500.00 over what I paid for my 1861 in May. So, a 26% hike for the Hesalite on steel here, and 24% for the sapphire.

They're superb watches, no doubt, with a lot of the additions that many have been asking for, and I can imagine a non-Speedy owner looking to join the club being over the moon, as it were, with these new releases. But the 10k price point (sapphire version) is replete with fine watches, and even the hesalite is now comfortably more expensive than a new Seamaster.

I wonder how many Speedy owners will feel the need to add one of these to their collections straight away? I guess we'll find out.

Anyway, looking forward to reading the impressions of those of you lucky enough to snag one hot off the shelves.
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in the presentation article on fratellowatches it is said that the 3861 was independently subjected by Omega, in house, to tests similar to those of NASA (source Omega).

Robert-Jan Boer, founder of fratellowatches and author of the article, says the change in the writing on the caseback is due to the fact that Omega has tested it, but NASA has not (yet) qualified.
 
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Yeeeeah...

I’m gonna wait 1-2 years on this regular production model and save myself 30%.
 
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Nope. The new caseback says "Co-axial master chronometer", which the 1861 isn't. Also, the wording has changed from "Flight-qualified by NASA for all manned space missions" to "Flight-qualified by NASA in 1965 for all manned space missions".
...”in 1965...”. Hmm, does that mean that this one hasn’t been flight qualified by NASA?
 
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Yes, the prices mentionned include VAT.

From my boutique this morning :

Wow I really like that bracelet thanks for the photos beautiful
 
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My understanding is a Speedy can be bought duty free in Heathrow when traveling to the EU post-Brexit. And if you've ever come through Dublin customs you'll notice a very lax attitude of duty officers there (in either terminal). The chances they'd challenge me are close to nil.

I recognize not declaring the purchase is morally unsound. But I've had a word with my conscience and we'd be fine with it in this instance.
I’d agree in this case too
 
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I don't get the people saying the price hike is ok? If I recall the previous price correctly it's a jump of more than 20%.

Very few brands/markets can afford a price hike like this one without losing a huge amount of customers. Not even Rolex raised the price of their new Submariner by this much.

I agree, especially when coupled with the increases over the last couple years. On top of that, rumor is Omega is trying to end the large discounts ADs routinely give out, which could make the price increase hurt more.
 
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I wonder how many Speedy owners will feel the need to add one of these to their collections straight away? I guess we'll find out.

Good question, I bought my new Speedmaster half a year ago and am therefore not in the urgent need for a new Speedmaster 😁 but I do like the new one, also I like the idea to have one of the last of the old and one of the first of the new one but maybe that is nowadays a little far stretched 👎 maybe I should focus on that vintage Speedmaster I want to have 👎
 
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...”in 1965...”. Hmm, does that mean that this one hasn’t been flight qualified by NASA?

Apparently that is exactly what it means. It comes across to me as doublespeak, and it is very unattractive.
 
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Yes, the prices mentionned include VAT.

From my boutique this morning :


Are they still including all the extras from the big box? The loupe, straps, medallion?
 
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Just called Omega hotline in Germany,they told me a six month wait time for the new speedmaster.☹️