Is this the new Speedmaster?

Dms5150 · Dec 4, 2020

Perre
Can someone explain me what all the fuss is about with having an applied logo vs printed?

There was an applied logo on all the Speedmasters used on the moon. The printed logo came in on the 145.022-69st, but never saw any action on the moon.

The hesalite version of the moonwatch is the closest to those worn on the moon, so it would make sense to give it the applied logo if they're also giving the new ones a stepped dial and 105.012 case.

They're so close to selling something that's close to the original moon watch, but neither of these is accurate. The sapphire version with the correct dial has an incorrect crystal, and the hesalite version has an incorrect dial. So close, but so far.

Perre · Dec 4, 2020

Dms5150
There was an applied logo on all the Speedmasters used on the moon. The printed logo came in on the 145.022-69st, but never saw any action on the moon.

The hesalite version of the moonwatch is the closest to those worn on the moon, so it would make sense to give it the applied logo if they're also giving the new ones a stepped dial and 105.012 case.

They're so close to selling something that's close to the original moon watch, but neither of these is accurate. The sapphire version with the correct dial has an incorrect crystal, and the hesalite version has an incorrect dial. So close, but so far.

Thanks for the info, makes it more clear why everyone is pushing for a hesalite with applied logo!

64Wing · Dec 4, 2020

Pazzo
Would you care to elaborate on your post above please? ... 😕

Louis Wagner?

The assertion was made that the AML would be hidden most of the time which implies not using the chronograph. Since the Speedmaster is a racing chronograph (hence the tachymeter) I thought "well, some people actually use it." This I grabbed a picture of a classic racer and threw it up as if to cast shade on the plebes that don't use their chronograph.

All in jest, but I still think it's a funny post

64Wing · Dec 4, 2020

Pazzo
Would you care to elaborate on your post above please? ... 😕

Louis Wagner?

Also, That's William (Wilhelm) Luttgen

STANDY · Dec 4, 2020

Dms5150
There's an applied logo on the Sapphire Sandwich but printed on the Hesalite version? That's a real dick move.

Why not give it to both? They're pitching the speedmaster as a premium product, both deserve an applied logo. No printed logos ever went to the moon! Ok maybe one. Still, dick move. Makes the hesalite version feel like a budget version rather than something authentic to the original moon landings. Just there to be an excuse to upsize at the AD.

Apart from that, awesome to see the 105.012 case return. Speedmaster cases have been out of shape since the 90's. And the stepped dial! fantastic.

Maybe the Applied Logo was only used on the sapphire crystal and not on the Hesalite to leave the Hesalite more like the watch is now and has been for many years.

Well you can see by several pages already it’s a hard crowd to please. Change don’t change, 321 was nice but too expensive. Manned to Human. Box was too big. Bracelet needs micro extensions.

DNX · Dec 4, 2020

Or maybe after you have bought the current 1861, then the new one with printed logo, they will release another one with APL, therefore getting the purists to part with 3 x the money and buy 3 watches...each one edging closer to the real one that went to the Hollywood studio...

STANDY · Dec 4, 2020

Still think the ST2 has the best bang of any watch.
Applied Logo
Steep dial
DON bezel
Ultramen hand

leatherstrap · Dec 4, 2020

18k Canopus gold

DNX · Dec 4, 2020

What is this one with the silver dial? - it looks lovely - would have it in a heartbeat if I can afford it...

orlis · Dec 4, 2020

leatherstrap
18k Canopus gold

I think that’s the white gold model that some people speculated about

leatherstrap · Dec 4, 2020

orlis
I think that’s the white gold model that some people speculated about

There is another sedna gold. Both are Boutique only.

STANDY · Dec 4, 2020

SergioRZ
Yes, it seems obvious by now that Omega considers their reference to be the commercially available Moonwatch as they've made and sold since 1968. Not the Moonwatch that was actually on the Moon... 😉

Actually I see this as the main reason why the current Moonwatch (not the new 3861) is still very much desirable and some people would choose the 1861 over the 3861. It's the 1861 that is actually much closer to the 1968 Moonwatch you could buy new in a store back then, isn't it?

The watch that went on the moon, was not available by the time anyone knew a watch went on the moon. I always remember that said once many years ago.

It’s funny that it’s only us nutters here that pick a watch apart bit by bit.

Really, who is going to sell this to buy the newer model next year.

I have a 3570 I’m not looking for a new Speedmaster.

orlis · Dec 4, 2020

leatherstrap
There is another sedna gold. Both are Boutique only.

yes heard about that too, let’s wait for the Sedna gold photo now 😀

omegamike · Dec 4, 2020

I hadn't noticed it yet, but the Sapphire model in the leaked photos actually is showing an AML. It is not oversized like the FOIS or Snoopy 2020. Notice my closeup. Also, I added the logo from the Platinum 321 as a 3rd comparison.

AntonisCy · Dec 4, 2020

leatherstrap
18k Canopus gold

Cool. Do you have a photo of the Sedna gold one?

spinnaker11 · Dec 4, 2020

Saw this earlier on a similar thread on a different forum. Interesting to see the outgoing and new versions side by side.

I saw all of the changes discussed above but was interested by the change in the chrono hand. I thought this might have had more discussion. The 'spear' on the new model is rather closer to the tip of the hand than before. On my recent 1863 SS the spear sits directly over the centre of the Omega logo. Presumably that won't be the case now and you might see more of the logo?

spinnaker11 · Dec 4, 2020

Have to say there are bits I like and bits I don't. The pic above does also show the difference in the tapered vs straight bracelet styles. I'm not keen on the tapered look.

Also prefer the current pushers. I reckon less damage would come from the version with bigger pushes as there is less possible travel in the pushers in the event of a nasty knock.

texasmade · Dec 4, 2020

Lugs look thinner on the new 3861.

Saturn V · Dec 4, 2020

omegamike
I hadn't noticed it yet, but the Sapphire model in the leaked photos actually is showing an AML. It is not oversized like the FOIS or Snoopy 2020. Notice my closeup. Also, I added the logo from the Platinum 321 as a 3rd comparison.

The logo of the platinum dial looks the most balanced and best-looking of the trio...

Martin_J_N · Dec 4, 2020

djmusicman
Here is my take. The speedmaster has been in need of this update. The model produced over the last 20 years is quite bland looking (white lume on a flat greyish coloured dial) with a bulky bracelet that doesn't suit the watch. The only reason I could see anyone choosing the outgoing model over this new one is if the price was significantly lower. It will be interesting to see what replaces the FOIS, I expect a massive improvement.

Hmm,

Bland looking - I prefer classic, clear and easy to read
Bulky bracelet - I love this bracelet, soooo comfortable and for me adds a lot to the watch

I will get the new 3861 sapphire to partner my 1861 hesalite, then I will have the best of both worlds.

As for the FOIS, maybe it won't be replaced, it would be difficult to redo this watch as it is a numbered edition, unless you start at 1 and go again but where would that leave the existing watch?

Is this the new Speedmaster?

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