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Is this the new Speedmaster?

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I agree, however it would probably make the clasp bigger which was one of the main bugbears of the 60th.

bracelet itself, I love it and it’s one of the most comfortable I’ve worn across all brands. Thankfully i wear mine looser rather than tighter so I don’t need to adjust often, if at all.

I thought the 60th's bracelet did not taper much and the clasp is 18-20mm wide. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The new moon watch bracelet tapers down to 15mm like the vintage ones. So the clasp will be much narrower for sure, similar to the Apollo 50th and 321. Micro adjustment may make the clasp a little bit thicker though. Something simple like the Rolex easy link would be so awesome!!!
 
Mathew J
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This is an interesting point. But assuming the new iteration of the Moonwatch is qualified by NASA for space flight (granted there is some confusion on that matter) then surely it is the current period in history that the text refers to?

Personally I am put off by the text in it's entirety if this is not the case. I don't want to wear a watch that says it is qualified for space flight if it is not, in fact, qualified. It's a pale imitation of the real thing with a text that says, "here are our laurels, rest awhile".

I don't have the article but I remember reading that Omega had said NASA would not be qualifying the new model, that instead they (Omega) would subject it to similar tests to the original and then NASA would sign off for it to be flight qualified.

As for what one determines the correct period I would figure is up to debate....I think that the correct period is the 60s and 70s which is when it was used, but if you're talking the literal sense around when it was updated/released then yes I could see your point.
 
Martin_J_N
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So pleased that I am going for the Sapphire 3861 when it comes out, no worries about the wording on the back of that watch.

Or is there?

😀
 
Capt Cave Man
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So pleased that I am going for the Sapphire 3861 when it comes out, no worries about the wording on the back of that watch.

Or is there?

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New Sapphire Crystal:
Polished caseback with double bevels and sapphire crystal “THE FIRST WATCH WORN ON THE MOON” and “CO-AXIAL MASTER CHRONOMETER” engraved and in black.

New Hesalite Glass:
Brushed – polished caseback with double bevels with “THE FIRST WATCH WORN ONTHE MOON”, “FLIGHT QUALIFIED BY NASA FOR ALL HUMAN SPACE MISSIONS”, “COAXIAL MASTER CHRONOMETER” and “PROFESSIONAL MOONWATCH” engraved and in black, featuring the embossed seahorse at the centre
 
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s2000_driver s2000_driver
I thought the 60th's bracelet did not taper much and the clasp is 18-20mm wide. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The new moon watch bracelet tapers down to 15mm like the vintage ones. So the clasp will be much narrower for sure, similar to the Apollo 50th and 321. Micro adjustment may make the clasp a little bit thicker though. Something simple like the Rolex easy link would be so awesome!!!
Agreed re the 60th bracelet, my point was that the extension they had for that made it more bulky than necessary.

The clasp on the 50th is 15 or 16mm as you say, but any further bulking would probably make it look out of place on such a svelte bracelet. I think it’s keeping the looks that’s driving the clasp rather than the performance of it.
 
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New Sapphire Crystal:
Polished caseback with double bevels and sapphire crystal “THE FIRST WATCH WORN ON THE MOON” and “CO-AXIAL MASTER CHRONOMETER” engraved and in black.

No worries about wording for me 😀
 
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This is such a stupid argument on whether it should say "manned" or "human". This isn't a watch being made in the 1960's so that period is over. This is 2020's and this is the period the watch is being made for. This period is "human" instead of "manned". If "manned" is such a big turn off as not being period correct then the 3861 movement update should make the watch a definite no since that's really out of period.
 
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(Omega) would subject it to similar tests to the original and then NASA would sign off for it to be flight qualified.

That would be good enough for me. It wouldn't sit right with me having the text if there was no arrangement for certification at all. It's part of the joy of it - being able to bore my friends with, "but this watch can survive space flight!!!"

It also answers the text-change debate for me. In this period in history men & women brave those ridiculously dangerous rocket launches and space walks. If you're Omega, and you're hoping they'll wear a Speedy, then having gender neutral text is a no brainier.
 
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Really liking the new moon watch. What stopped me getting the 1861 was non-hacking, non-COSC - and now all resolved. I'll be getting the sapphire one when it comes out. Well done Omega!
 
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This is an interesting point. But assuming the new iteration of the Moonwatch is qualified by NASA for space flight (granted there is some confusion on that matter) then surely it is the current period in history that the text refers to?

Personally I am put off by the text in it's entirety if this is not the case. I don't want to wear a watch that says it is qualified for space flight if it is not, in fact, qualified. It's a pale imitation of the real thing with a text that says, "here are our laurels, rest awhile".

I doubt the new Moonwatch has been qualified by NASA already. I think it's just marketing and using the old qualification they did and that the new one is a derivative of it.
 
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Are they any different? Lugs look unchanged to me, as beautiful as they are already 😉
Quite a big difference! I've always thought the modern lugs were a bit out of proportion compared to the 70's design.
 
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I have a different quandary to make a decision over

For some reason I know not, I prefer a solid case back however the subtle differences between the versions include either an Applied Metal Logo (AML) on the sapphire or a printed logo on the hesalite.

I'll be waiting until once officially announced and available to see in the metal. My first instinct was for the hesalite however both are never seen once on the wrist so I may go for a sapphire with the AML.

I'm really intrigued as to the bracelets though. As mentioned in an earlier post in this thread it appears as if the cases match across the 3861 board (A11, Snoopy, new Moonwatch) - have Omega been listening and will these now be interchangeable? That could open up additional OEM options as well as from our distinguished members Uncle Seiko and Forstner.
 
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texasmade texasmade
This is such a stupid argument on whether it should say "manned" or "human". This isn't a watch being made in the 1960's so that period is over. This is 2020's and this is the period the watch is being made for. This period is "human" instead of "manned". If "manned" is such a big turn off as not being period correct then the 3861 movement update should make the watch a definite no since that's really out of period.

I think this is where opinions will vary, as I have no interest in the new model, both the new movement and the change in text was enough of a turnoff to push me to just buy the current model now, and if the new model came out I personally would lose interest in getting one as to me it just wouldn't seem "right" compared to what is currently available.

but I have certainly read from others that they are fine with both the movement change and the different text....pretty soon it won't matter as for new watch buyers they won't have a choice.

Dedalus05 Dedalus05
That would be good enough for me. It wouldn't sit right with me having the text if there was no arrangement for certification at all. It's part of the joy of it - being able to bore my friends with, "but this watch can survive space flight!!!"

It also answers the text-change debate for me. In this period in history men & women brave those ridiculously dangerous rocket launches and space walks. If you're Omega, and you're hoping they'll wear a Speedy, then having gender neutral text is a no brainier.

I have also read from others that they are fine with this, again and similar to my points above this isn't something that I feel is adequate when compared to the history of the original hence my option to just buy one now while I can, all of the changes just don't make it seem the same anymore, one of the things I liked about the watch was how true to the original it was, now with the new model you're just paying a lot for a modern manual wind movement with a plastic glass that has really no connection to the past.
 
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texasmade texasmade
This is such a stupid argument on whether it should say "manned" or "human". This isn't a watch being made in the 1960's so that period is over. This is 2020's and this is the period the watch is being made for. This period is "human" instead of "manned". If "manned" is such a big turn off as not being period correct then the 3861 movement update should make the watch a definite no since that's really out of period.
"Agreed. And in another 10-20 years when people get upset that MAN is hidden in the word human it will be re-termed "huperson". I'm still waiting for the protests about embedding the word MAN in 'woman', thus implying a 'woman' is always dependent on a man.

Sorry about continuing this tangent. The new Speedmaster with Hesalite is a nice improvement over the current one. The sapphire doesn't do much for me, same as with the current lineup. Once the dust settles it will be interesting to see how much these sell for when BNIB via the trusted resellers.
 
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Well for me the bracelet design is pretty much the one from the yellow gold
50th Anniversary modell from 2019, just in steel - I like it very much!

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Quite a big difference! I've always thought the modern lugs were a bit out of proportion compared to the 70's design.
What am I looking at here? Without a comparison to the new one, it is still hard to tell if there is a difference in lugs.

I must say, Omega has had fantastic leadership in the last 5 years. I am excited about these. No one is saying it, but I love that the caseback hippocampus is flush (or at least it looks like it is). I had to switch to a 145.012 service caseback because it dug into my wrist.

I've always been a hesalite guy, I wavered with the FOIS for a moment, but now if hesalite means no AML, I would go Sapphire.

I don't mind the simplified minute track (like the Speedy Tuesday 1). But I do miss the long indexes. I think the long indexes and applied logo are the two features that make a Speedy truely look pre-moon.
 
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I am amused by all the diehard hesalite fans now switching their allegiance to the sapphire sandwich model because it has an applied logo. Guess that pesky milky ring thing isn't so bad after all.

I'm a bit surprised they didn't continue with the NAIAD caseback for these upgraded models. Cost perhaps.
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"Agreed. And in another 10-20 years when people get upset that MAN is hidden in the word human it will be re-termed "huperson". I'm still waiting for the protests about embedding the word MAN in 'woman', thus implying a 'woman' is always dependent on a man.

Maybe you were out yelling at the kids to get off your lawn and missed it - it's already happened...

Why a controversial definition of the word “woman” doesn’t necessarily mean the dictionary is sexist. (slate.com)

😉😉

Language evolves - it's the nature of it...
 
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Maybe you were out yelling at the kids to get off your lawn and missed it - it's already happened...

Why a controversial definition of the word “woman” doesn’t necessarily mean the dictionary is sexist. (slate.com)

😉😉

Language evolves - it's the nature of it...
Evolve it does, but sometimes it is just plain silly. The word 'master' is now considered unacceptable in many places. Houston realtors won't even refer to the master bedroom any longer, now it is the primary bedroom. There must be a few people around the world who would consider the word 'Speedmaster' or 'Master' Chronometer to be unacceptable. And on it goes.

Texas realtor group says it will no longer use the word "master" to describe bedrooms and bathrooms in its listings - CNN
 
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