Hi Experts,
I met a primary seller selling a 145.022 in attractive status. But wondering if this watch original. Could experts in this forum provide any insight?

PS: Delete wrong picture to avoid confusion.

 

But, is that even the same watch? (first and second picture)

 

surely not first pic is most probably a premoon 145.022-69 and all the others a 145.022 from the eighties.

Besides that, the bezel and caseback are later service parts.

 

Not the same watch!

 

4,4M would make this an early 80s watch which would not have a step dial. So the dial is not correct for the serial (or any factory serial really). Bezel, crown, inner case back appear incorrect as well

 

Thé serial of the movement is not the same on the case lug.

 

The Seller confirmed the 1st pic is from another watch. And I didn't attached all pics since too manh.
From the S/N this watch should be 90s, and how to justify the Bezel/crown/inner case back is incorrect?
I now attach the rest pictures here which claimed from same one:

Delete the wrong picture to avoid confusion.

 

Beside the image name/resolution, how does the bezel at 110 and 11 o'clock marker tell? Sorry I don't have a sharp eye.

 

Thanks, Is that because the dial looks a step one? What's the clue about "Bezel, crown, inner case back appear incorrect as well"?

 

Thanks, I have a vedio but don't know how to upload. Looks the polished dent and Tritium at 11 is about the angle of view. I'm still very curious how @killer67 and @kov noticed the incorrect Bezel, crown, inner case back.

 

Nothing enhances knowledge like experience

 

Observation not age brings wisdom ...

 

Recently someone mentioned the length of R in "Professionally" makes some difference, anyone aware of this Diff?

 

That's why NewBies need guidance.

 

So the last picture is definitely from another watch again, just check the ‘ marker above Tachymetre on the last picture. First picture of the 80’ies Speedy is missing this. Why do we see pictures of different watches on every post so far... Either buyer beware, or there’s something going on here...

 

Thanks for pointing it out, I just got confirmation that the picture w/ leather strap is not the right one. Forgive the unprofessional seller.
So I summary current status is:
1. The target item is a 80~90s 145.022, I'll get the clear pic of movement tomorrow to confirm the S/N
2. It does not have a step Dial
3. While Some experts mentioned the Bezel/Crown/inner case back may be incorrect, any further detail about the suspetion so I can request more details?

 

At the first glance, I would say you’re right but I think you aren’t.



It’s easy to mistake and think that this serial is not 48 millions here but chances are very low that we have only one different digit on these pictures.

4_277243 are quite clearly visible.

But that serial is more likely to be correct so the dial is fine too, per consequence

I agree on the bezel and caseback but how can you be sure about the crown?

 

This Speedmaster is a 3590.50 produced somewhen in 1991. For sure not in the eighties. And it is not supposed to have a step dial

 

It does not have a step dial as I clarified the wrong pictures.
How to tell the wrong bezel and caseback to justify it's a 3590.50? Due to the S/N range?

 

Delete that first picture and you won’t confuse people with it anymore

Based on that serial / period you can securely assume it’s a 3590.50. All the other comments are based on that assumption. I would expect to see a different bezel and a different caseback on this watch to say it’s all original. Now you have all the details to make your homework and find out