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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerIf that is what you think I have been arguing, you have totally misread this thread mate...too many straw men to count in that one...
Is Rolex Boring Anybody Else?
If that is what you think I have been arguing, you have totally misread this thread mate...too many straw men to count in that one...
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·Sir. Feel free to pout if you like. From reading all of this, it seems you present yourself as quite the marketing man. That said, if you expect this forum to join in as you bask in the glory of Rolex and their business and marketing strategy, you may want to note the brand of watch in the name of this forum.
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·Oh, and Al, when I took my Speedy to the watchmaker here, his comment was, "Nice Speedy, I'm glad you didn't buy in to the Rolex crowd." Obviously he isn't a big Rollie fan either............true story btw.
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·In simple terms Cellini never did that well as Rolex are more known for sports and the date just. All the sports models and the date just cover the Celini issues. But it's Rolex's commitment overall to maintaining models longevity and their brand which makes them successful.
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·Solid point on the forum front.......Hey personally I think Omega is crushing it with use of materials, movement innovation master co-axial, anti-magnetic etc. The Tressor killed it! if you like dress watches. The premise (original anyway) is/was Rolex is boring...and it is boring by design is my point and that dogmatic view has enabled them to create one of the most powerful brands in the world (any industry) .
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·Rolex are doing it right. If Omega do something similar they will do a lot better, let's face it they are doing well now imagine what they could do In the future. Not only will we have the speedy as an icon but everything else as well.
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·Oh, and Al, when I took my Speedy to the watchmaker here, his comment was, "Nice Speedy, I'm glad you didn't buy in to the Rolex crowd." Obviously he isn't a big Rollie fan either............true story btw.
It's not about individuals on the forum. It's about the fact we have a great brand, but if we do a similar thing to Rolex Omega can be a lot better. One great quality Omega has is descretion and credibility in the Moon watch and base model Seamaster. Lest we forget the Bond wave dial went for 18 years before it changed. We need this approach with PO and AT, then watch out Rolex here comes Omega.
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·That is exactly the attitude I don't necessarily subscribe to. It doesn't have to be a Rolex Crowd or an omega Crowd or a Seiko crowd. You can like Rolex and like Omega or not like it. But if you start polarizing and stereotyping based on watches and likes there is a looong road to go before you're a watch guy rather than an Omega guy.
Don't get me wrong, you can like or dislike anything, but the Rolex versus Omega versus whatever is so boring to me. Appreciate good craftsmanship and good work despite your taste. I have a Speedy, hell I have a speedy and AT, TWO PO'S AND AN SMP300c if my watchmaker said what yours said to you I'd slap him...or rather I would tell him now I know what watchmaker NOT to bring my Rolexes...his loss.
Oh, and Al has a killer Rolex Red Line. Killer! I think his point is more about perceived value and branding than quality of work.
Anyway...
Don't get me wrong, you can like or dislike anything, but the Rolex versus Omega versus whatever is so boring to me. Appreciate good craftsmanship and good work despite your taste. I have a Speedy, hell I have a speedy and AT, TWO PO'S AND AN SMP300c if my watchmaker said what yours said to you I'd slap him...or rather I would tell him now I know what watchmaker NOT to bring my Rolexes...his loss.
Oh, and Al has a killer Rolex Red Line. Killer! I think his point is more about perceived value and branding than quality of work.
Anyway...
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·That is exactly the attitude I don't necessarily subscribe to. It doesn't have to be a Rolex Crowd or an omega Crowd or a Seiko crowd. You can like Rolex and like Omega or not like it. But if you start polarizing and stereotyping based on watches and likes there is a looong road to go before you're a watch guy rather than an Omega guy.
Don't get me wrong, you can like or dislike anything, but the Rolex versus Omega versus whatever is so boring to me. Appreciate good craftsmanship and good work despite your taste. I have a Speedy, hell I have a speedy and AT, TWO PO'S AND AN SMP300c if my watchmaker said what yours said to you I'd slap him...or rather I would tell him now I know what watchmaker NOT to bring my Rolexes...his loss.
Oh, and Al has a killer Rolex Red Line. Killer! I think he's point is more about perceived value and branding than quality of work.
Anyway...
There is space for all watches. I have two Omegas and a Seiko. In the past I have had a Panerai, Oris and another Omega. I will hopefully own in the future a Speedy and explorer one. There is room for everyone, this is not one brand is better than another at least for me anyway. I just feel that Omega could learn from Rolex marketing.
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·It's not about individuals on the forum. It's about the fact we have a great brand, but if we do a similar thing to Rolex Omega can be a lot better. One great quality Omega has is descretion and credibility in the Moon watch and base model Seamaster. Lest we forget the Bond wave dial went for 18 years before it changed. We need this approach with PO and AT, then watch out Rolex here comes Omega.
Omega was Founded on 1848
Rolex was Founded on 1905
I think they are both pretty well established already and it's a little late to start a race...they are both running their own game exactly as they want to, and successfully at that. The Omega versus Rolex...the "thesis more valuable than that" or more legitimate, or better run...that's on your head and that is more reflective of where you want the brand to be than whether they want that.
Same for IWC, same for Patek, same for all f them really.
THERE IS ROOM FOR ALL. THE NEW, THE OLD, THE ONES YOU LIKE AND THE ONES YOU DON'T.
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·should say...not you specifically Patrick, it's more of a general comment.
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·It's not about individuals on the forum. It's about the fact we have a great brand, but if we do a similar thing to Rolex Omega can be a lot better. One great quality Omega has is descretion and credibility in the Moon watch and base model Seamaster. Lest we forget the Bond wave dial went for 18 years before it changed. We need this approach with PO and AT, then watch out Rolex here comes Omega.
The title of this thread is, "Is Rolex boring anybody else?". So this thread was started with the interest in individuals opinions of Rolex on this forum. As for marketing and business strategy for the future of Omega, I have my doubts that Omega cares one lick about the theories put forth here. I'll cheer for the underdog by saying that I hope Omega blazes their own path to greatness rather than follow someone else path. And now it is time for a bit of scotch! Enjoy the weekend all.
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·The title of this thread is, "Is Rolex boring anybody else?". So this thread was started with the interest in individuals opinions of Rolex on this forum. As for marketing and business strategy for the future of Omega, I have my doubts that Omega cares one lick about the theories put forth here. I'll cheer for the underdog by saying that I hope Omega blazes their own path to greatness rather than follow someone else path. And now it is time for a bit of scotch! Enjoy the weekend all.
here here!!
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·Omega was Founded on 1848
Rolex was Founded on 1905
I think they are both pretty well established already and it's a little late to start a race...they are both running their own game exactly as they want to, and successfully at that. The Omega versus Rolex...the "thesis more valuable than that" or more legitimate, or better run...that's on your head and that is more reflective of where you want the brand to be than whether they want that.
Same for IWC, same for Patek, same for all f them really.
THERE IS ROOM FOR ALL. THE NEW, THE OLD, THE ONES YOU LIKE AND THE ONES YOU DON'T.
Room for all, yes indeed. Perhaps I may of been a bit zelous regarding competition your right about that. My only aim or wish is that Omega take a similar path to Rolex in marketing. So we can see more product longevity and value in the AT and PO range, like we enjoy with the speedy and seamaster. This approach can only do Omega good in the long run.
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·The title of this thread is, "Is Rolex boring anybody else?". So this thread was started with the interest in individuals opinions of Rolex on this forum. As for marketing and business strategy for the future of Omega, I have my doubts that Omega cares one lick about the theories put forth here. I'll cheer for the underdog by saying that I hope Omega blazes their own path to greatness rather than follow someone else path. And now it is time for a bit of scotch! Enjoy the weekend all.
If they blaze their own path even better. As long as they slow down the model turn out, establish continuity and long term quality in their current line and make it iconic like the speedy and base seamaster. (MY OPINION)
God bless Have a great weekend.
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·Only in the watch world can one of the top 5 volume producers and part of the conglomerate known as the Swatch group be called an under dog! The scotch....now that is brilliant. I will certainly not ask which brand or which category.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI see these watches for what they really are day in and day out, and I have no preferred flavour of Kool Aid that I am drinking. Scotch on the other hand...Isaly all the way.
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·Of note though, the base seamaster ( if you mean the 300 as seamaster encompasses many models) was discontinued for the smp300 (polygon bezel models and the PO'S and just brought back to life with the vintage tribute 300 master. So that line is not really what you would call consistent.
The speedy Pro though... That has remained a thoroughbred
The speedy Pro though... That has remained a thoroughbred
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