I'd just like to say that...

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I believe that you may be taken the issue too far here. Whether an item is cheap or not is always judged in relation to the current market price,

@ConElPueblo in the brands or watches that I follow market price is not an objective data point, there are several layers depending on who sells the watch, to whom, the platform on which it is found etc; it can be very much a matter of perception.
So am not just talking in terms of poverty and inequalities.
Some collectors who are newer to the hobby are used to seeing inflated (and what Tony called ludicrous) prices, often main street dealer prices, and may have less experience of other types of transactions.

I remember very clearly having just seen at a watch show a Longines 30CH chronograph offered for 3500 euros in very good condition. Then two weeks later someone offered the exact same reference on the sales forum here for about 5.5K - and someone (a US collector) commented “so cheap”.
Sorry but those comments which can be ill informed contribute to market distorsions.

That said I can only commend someone pointing out a reasonable price on the FS board.
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I’d like to say that the ‘OHPF’ and ‘SOLD’ bumps are just bad etiquette towards those still selling, and pollute the sub-forum by making it more difficult to see what’s still FS. One can change the status, and edit the listing, without bumping it. I admit to doing it in the past but once I realized this I did stop. It most likely could be easily (much easier than making folk follow etiquette) implemented that a bump with any other status than ‘FS’ does not bubble up? Just a friendly suggestion. Thanks OF for this space.
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@ConElPueblo in the brands or watches that I follow market price is not an objective data point, there are several layers depending on who sells the watch, to whom, the platform on which it is found etc; it can be very much a matter of perception.
So am not just talking in terms of poverty and inequalities.
Some collectors who are newer to the hobby are used to seeing inflated (and what Tony called ludicrous) prices, often main street dealer prices, and may have less experience of other types of transactions.

I remember very clearly having just seen at a watch show a Longines 30CH chronograph offered for 3500 euros in very good condition. Then two weeks later someone offered the exact same reference on the sales forum here for about 5.5K - and someone (a US collector) commented “so cheap”.
Sorry but those comments which can be ill informed contribute to market distorsions.

That said I can only commend someone pointing out a reasonable price on the FS board.
We need that done more often, IMO
 
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@ConElPueblo in the brands or watches that I follow market price is not an objective data point, there are several layers depending on who sells the watch, to whom, the platform on which it is found etc; it can be very much a matter of perception.
So am not just talking in terms of poverty and inequalities.
Some collectors who are newer to the hobby are used to seeing inflated (and what Tony called ludicrous) prices, often main street dealer prices, and may have less experience of other types of transactions.

I remember very clearly having just seen at a watch show a Longines 30CH chronograph offered for 3500 euros in very good condition. Then two weeks later someone offered the exact same reference on the sales forum here for about 5.5K - and someone (a US collector) commented “so cheap”.
Sorry but those comments which can be ill informed contribute to market distorsions.

That said I can only commend someone pointing out a reasonable price on the FS board.
Excellent point actually.

I do know of a few folks (not on OF) on other platforms often do this "great price!"quotes, they might be in cahoots with the seller to give the impression that it's a great deal.

Another are enablers "friends" where they aren't really friends because they keep urging you to buy buy buy.

Those kind of people I stay far away from (because I believe in honesty among real friends who will tell you things like "I think you can get a better piece for the money" or "it's nice but I think it's overpriced cause of point A B C etc"

Oh, didn't realize I need to get that off my chest ha!

I believe @shishy is far from that kind of person.
 
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Eggggzactly! I don’t particularly like anyone’s opinion about how much I would pay for something that I want. It’s up to me period. I dont Like OHPF either and while we are at it why can’t sellers be required to add the price in the title of the listing so I don’t have to look at something that has some ridiculous price?
 
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Not only that, but has far-reaching economic consequences. Lori Loughlin, who has stated that she had frequently purchased watches on the sales forum with replaced parts and condition issues, noted that upon re-sale, she got hit so hard with losses that her intended large donations to the college her daughter wanted to attend forced her to choose cheaper, and more unethical avenues.
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@ConElPueblo in the brands or watches that I follow market price is not an objective data point, there are several layers depending on who sells the watch, to whom, the platform on which it is found etc; it can be very much a matter of perception.
So am not just talking in terms of poverty and inequalities.
Some collectors who are newer to the hobby are used to seeing inflated (and what Tony called ludicrous) prices, often main street dealer prices, and may have less experience of other types of transactions.

I remember very clearly having just seen at a watch show a Longines 30CH chronograph offered for 3500 euros in very good condition. Then two weeks later someone offered the exact same reference on the sales forum here for about 5.5K - and someone (a US collector) commented “so cheap”.
Sorry but those comments which can be ill informed contribute to market distorsions.

That's a very good point, but not at all what your initial post stated... 😀


That said I can only commend someone pointing out a reasonable price on the FS board.

...So you agree with me that price is subjective, but rail against people commenting on what could be, subjectively to them, a good price? Who decides when a price is good enough to warrant a positive responce?

Impossible.


I’d like to say that the ‘OHPF’ and ‘SOLD’ bumps are just bad etiquette towards those still selling, and pollute the sub-forum by making it more difficult to see what’s still FS. One can change the status, and edit the listing, without bumping it. I admit to doing it in the past but once I realized this I did stop. It most likely could be easily (much easier than making folk follow etiquette) implemented that a bump with any other status than ‘FS’ does not bubble up? Just a friendly suggestion. Thanks OF for this space.

Agree completely 😀
 
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I’d like to say that the ‘OHPF’ and ‘SOLD’ bumps are just bad etiquette towards those still selling, and pollute the sub-forum by making it more difficult to see what’s still FS. One can change the status, and edit the listing, without bumping it. I admit to doing it in the past but once I realized this I did stop. It most likely could be easily (much easier than making folk follow etiquette) implemented that a bump with any other status than ‘FS’ does not bubble up? Just a friendly suggestion. Thanks OF for this space.

Bump.
 
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I'm not against posting OHPF, it's a nice way of letting all those lowballers know what they've missed out on 😉
 
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@ConElPueblo in the brands or watches that I follow market price is not an objective data point, there are several layers depending on who sells the watch, to whom, the platform on which it is found etc; it can be very much a matter of perception.
So am not just talking in terms of poverty and inequalities.
Some collectors who are newer to the hobby are used to seeing inflated (and what Tony called ludicrous) prices, often main street dealer prices, and may have less experience of other types of transactions.

I remember very clearly having just seen at a watch show a Longines 30CH chronograph offered for 3500 euros in very good condition. Then two weeks later someone offered the exact same reference on the sales forum here for about 5.5K - and someone (a US collector) commented “so cheap”.
Sorry but those comments which can be ill informed contribute to market distorsions.

That said I can only commend someone pointing out a reasonable price on the FS board.

So I guess the bottom line is that we want people to point out a reasonable price, but only if they are well-informed and not from the US.

[BTW, I never comment on prices of listings within the thread, since doing so seems inappropriate to me. If we can't bash prices, we shouldn't praise prices either.]
 
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This is a bit off target... Personally, as a newbie , I greatly appreciate when members respond with "that's cheap" or "great price" as it helps me get a more comprehensive understanding of what a fair price is.

While each of us I'm sure could write a 40 page dissertation on economic equality...I myself am here to learn about watches.
 
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This is a bit off target... Personally, as a newbie , I greatly appreciate when members respond with "that's cheap" or "great price" as it helps me get a more comprehensive understanding of what a fair price is.

While each of us I'm sure could write a 40 page dissertation on economic equality...I myself am here to learn about watches.

Syrte's point is that sometimes people write "great price" even if it's not because they're trying to help the seller, and that it can mislead people such as yourself... which is fair.

As she/others have echoed, phrasing and context matter 😀.
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This is a bit off target... Personally, as a newbie , I greatly appreciate when members respond with "that's cheap" or "great price" as it helps me get a more comprehensive understanding of what a fair price is.

While each of us I'm sure could write a 40 page dissertation on economic equality...I myself am here to learn about watches.
And where do you stand if people are making such comments out of ignorance, or to promote the sale?
You may possibly become the sucker they were hoping for.
 
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And where do you stand if people are making such comments out of ignorance, or to promote the sale?
You may possibly become the sucker they were hoping for.
You have a valid point. I guess that I am a glass half full type and would hope this community would continue to challenge and look out for one another. This dialogue shows that this is the case.

So maybe the next time there is a "great deal" comment someone could second or third said comment?
 
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Syrte's point is that sometimes people write "great price" even if it's not because they're trying to help the seller, and that it can mislead people such as yourself... which is fair.

As she/others have echoed, phrasing and context matter 😀.

Allow me to correct, it never occurred to me that you or the other person I mentioned wrote « great price » to help the seller.
My two objections were:
1/ using the word «cheap » for a watch commanding a high market price even if the price is fair;
2/ or when someone inexperienced comments off the cuff without the full picture (and my example was not you);
Someone else added 3/ possible collusion but that was not my point and that person added certainly that would not be you— something I fully agree with.
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