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ghce
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No, thats just to put you off the scent. Dirty little secrets of what I did last summer I reckon.
I just bought this... help
No, thats just to put you off the scent. Dirty little secrets of what I did last summer I reckon.
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Seaborg
·I can't believe it 🥰
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pdxleaf
·Anyone really curious about 'whatever happened to those Nazi scientists'...
This is a very good book about the development of the program. Brinkley is probably the best scholarly writer who wrote about NASA and the early program.
He seems to be very pragmatic about WVB. His greatest condemnation seems to be that WVB never really acknowledged his role in the evil.
I haven't read this book yet.
MVB wrote an introduction. I found it telling when I read that the book promises to tell the untold full story of the men who developed the rockets. Flipping through it I found no mention of slave labor, beatings and starvation.
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pdxleaf
·Back on track.
Here's an old thread about NASA owned X-33s that were auctioned
https://omegaforums.net/threads/x-33-nasa-owned-at-auction.113508/
Here's an old thread about NASA owned X-33s that were auctioned
https://omegaforums.net/threads/x-33-nasa-owned-at-auction.113508/
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timjohn
·Did they still charge you the $180? Longines extracts are free- pay attention Omega!!
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JwRosenthal
·Refund? You've got to be joking.
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watchyouwant
·So they charged you for services they did not render- sounds like a fraudulent charge to me. I would have refuted that with my credit card company
No. They did render. They did the work as always and found one of many holes in the records..... You did ask for their work. Work done. You unlucky.
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TLIGuy
·As far as ownership is concerned, if this is No42 of the series of 58 watches purchased by NASA, then if discovered then the US government will acquire legal authority to retrieve it.
It has been done before, and I have no doubt if the us government believes this to be a NASA watch they will recover it.
@Spacefruit is absolutely correct here. The watch does appear to be from the NASA series of watches that were never released from NASA ownership via the GSA and would still be considered government property. I have had the opportunity to see 3 of these watches on the wrists of astronauts, one I shared publicly here The 8 million mile Radial Dial Speedmaster, and NASA has been exceptionally clear with them that the watches are on loan and are to be retuned when the time comes.
If @watchguy23 acquired the watch as he said he did, he was probably not aware of the history and significance of it until he shared it here. His story mirrors an encounter I had with a retired NASA engineer I shared at TimeZone in 2011 and later here as my interest in the flown Speedmasters grew. I think the same story has played out many times over the years as astronauts gifted watches to friends and family. One astronaut told me that back in the day they handed out watches like Halloween candy. Just walk into the crew equipment office and ask for a watch no questions asked. The management and record keeping of issued personal equipment back then was lax to say the least.
Anyway, here was my encounter with a similar story from 2011.
A Challenger Flown Radial Dial Speedmaster Out in the Wild? Maybe So...
October 6, 2011
I handled a Space Shuttle flown Speedmaster...And not just any one.
Today I had a brush with Omega space flight history.
Always spying for watches I had a great watch encounter this morning. I was in the Chicago airport today when I spotted a beat up Omega Speedmaster on the wrist of the gentleman standing next to me waiting at the baggage carrier. I mentioned to him that it was a nice Speedy he was wearing. A bit surprised, he looked at my wrist where he notice the one I was wearing. He asked if I had an interest in watches. When I told him yes, he told me the story of how he acquired his Speedmaster.
The gentleman was a retired NASA engineer that worked on the Space Shuttle during the late 70's and early 80's. He said that he was a watch enthusiast himself back in the day. After the flight of STS-41C he mentioned to his good friend Dick Scobee, the pilot of the mission, that he loved the Speedmaster that he was wearing. Being the good friend, Mr. Scobee promptly took it off and gave it to the gentleman I was standing next to. He had worn the watch on his first shuttle flight. The gentleman asked if I was familiar with Mr. Scobee, and I said yes. I knew Mr. Dick Scobee was the Commander of the ill fated Challenger flight a few years later. We talked a few more minutes as we waited for our bags then he asked if I would like to take a closer look at it. He slid it off his wrist and let me hold the watch and look it over. I have to admit a certain chill ran through me as I held it.
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JwRosenthal
·@Spacefruit is absolutely correct here. The watch does appear to be from the NASA series of watches that were never released from NASA ownership via the GSA and would still be considered government property. I have had the opportunity to see 3 of these watches on the wrists of astronauts, one I shared publicly here The 8 million mile Radial Dial Speedmaster, and NASA has been exceptionally clear with them that the watches are on loan and are to be retuned when the time comes.
If @watchguy23 acquired the watch as he said he did, he was probably not aware of the history and significance of it until he shared it here. His story mirrors an encounter I had with a retired NASA engineer I shared at TimeZone in 2011 and later here as my interest in the flown Speedmasters grew. I think the same story has played out many times over the years as astronauts gifted watches to friends and family. One astronaut told me that back in the day they handed out watches like Halloween candy. Just walk into the crew equipment office and ask for a watch no questions asked. The management and record keeping of issued personal equipment back then was lax to say the least.
Anyway, here was my encounter with a similar story from 2011.
A Challenger Flown Radial Dial Speedmaster Out in the Wild? Maybe So...
October 6, 2011
I handled a Space Shuttle flown Speedmaster...And not just any one.
Today I had a brush with Omega space flight history.
Always spying for watches I had a great watch encounter this morning. I was in the Chicago airport today when I spotted a beat up Omega Speedmaster on the wrist of the gentleman standing next to me waiting at the baggage carrier. I mentioned to him that it was a nice Speedy he was wearing. A bit surprised, he looked at my wrist where he notice the one I was wearing. He asked if I had an interest in watches. When I told him yes, he told me the story of how he acquired his Speedmaster.
The gentleman was a retired NASA engineer that worked on the Space Shuttle during the late 70's and early 80's. He said that he was a watch enthusiast himself back in the day. After the flight of STS-41C he mentioned to his good friend Dick Scobee, the pilot of the mission, that he loved the Speedmaster that he was wearing. Being the good friend, Mr. Scobee promptly took it off and gave it to the gentleman I was standing next to. He had worn the watch on his first shuttle flight. The gentleman asked if I was familiar with Mr. Scobee, and I said yes. I knew Mr. Dick Scobee was the Commander of the ill fated Challenger flight a few years later. We talked a few more minutes as we waited for our bags then he asked if I would like to take a closer look at it. He slid it off his wrist and let me hold the watch and look it over. I have to admit a certain chill ran through me as I held it.
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TLIGuy
·This is the answer I was looking for- they are still active assets and therefore accountable property. The fact that they got out into the wild is bad news- but not surprising considering the apparent culture in the agency over the years.
Yes, I believe you said it better than I did.
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JwRosenthal
·Yes, I believe you said it better than I did.
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redpcar
·This stopwatch came in a box of crap that I bought some time ago. Sits proudly on my desk. Super cool. Wait, there's the front door. Be right back......
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Olhenry56
·Oooo... OP showed up this morning. That's promising that the story might not end in speculation. Fingers crossed. He's probably getting a kick out of this thread.
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Scarecrow Boat
··Burt Macklin, FBIWell if we are to believe, the Obama, Gates conspiracy people it was all shot somewhere in Florida or perhaps a Hollywood studio with poor lighting and granular film 😀
According to a new member we aren’t going to the Moon because Nasa forgot how to get there. Oh and all of that original Hollywood footage was deleted…
D DJ72we went to 'the moon' in a tin can made out of drywall and tinfoil back in the late 60's and that since then NASA have 'lost' the technology on how to do it and most the original footage was 'accidentally' deleted.
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pdxleaf
·According to a new member we aren’t going to the Moon because Nasa forgot how to get there. Oh and all of that original Hollywood footage was deleted…
I hope the old forum members from 2012 are enjoying this thread. The Force is still going strong. And no one's been kicked off.
There's hope for the future 😁
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DoctorEvil
·@Spacefruit is absolutely correct here. The watch does appear to be from the NASA series of watches that were never released from NASA ownership via the GSA and would still be considered government property. I have had the opportunity to see 3 of these watches on the wrists of astronauts, one I shared publicly here The 8 million mile Radial Dial Speedmaster, and NASA has been exceptionally clear with them that the watches are on loan and are to be retuned when the time comes.
If @watchguy23 acquired the watch as he said he did, he was probably not aware of the history and significance of it until he shared it here. His story mirrors an encounter I had with a retired NASA engineer I shared at TimeZone in 2011 and later here as my interest in the flown Speedmasters grew. I think the same story has played out many times over the years as astronauts gifted watches to friends and family. One astronaut told me that back in the day they handed out watches like Halloween candy. Just walk into the crew equipment office and ask for a watch no questions asked. The management and record keeping of issued personal equipment back then was lax to say the least.
Anyway, here was my encounter with a similar story from 2011.
A Challenger Flown Radial Dial Speedmaster Out in the Wild? Maybe So...
October 6, 2011
I handled a Space Shuttle flown Speedmaster...And not just any one.
Today I had a brush with Omega space flight history.
Always spying for watches I had a great watch encounter this morning. I was in the Chicago airport today when I spotted a beat up Omega Speedmaster on the wrist of the gentleman standing next to me waiting at the baggage carrier. I mentioned to him that it was a nice Speedy he was wearing. A bit surprised, he looked at my wrist where he notice the one I was wearing. He asked if I had an interest in watches. When I told him yes, he told me the story of how he acquired his Speedmaster.
The gentleman was a retired NASA engineer that worked on the Space Shuttle during the late 70's and early 80's. He said that he was a watch enthusiast himself back in the day. After the flight of STS-41C he mentioned to his good friend Dick Scobee, the pilot of the mission, that he loved the Speedmaster that he was wearing. Being the good friend, Mr. Scobee promptly took it off and gave it to the gentleman I was standing next to. He had worn the watch on his first shuttle flight. The gentleman asked if I was familiar with Mr. Scobee, and I said yes. I knew Mr. Dick Scobee was the Commander of the ill fated Challenger flight a few years later. We talked a few more minutes as we waited for our bags then he asked if I would like to take a closer look at it. He slid it off his wrist and let me hold the watch and look it over. I have to admit a certain chill ran through me as I held it.
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TLIGuy
·So, could this retired NASA engineer that you met back in 2011 be the same guy as the vendor's grandad? In other words, did Dick Scobee fly with S/N 1042 on his wrist? If so, then the OP's watch is even more special.
@DoctorEvil That would be the mother of all coincidences, but I have to say the thought briefly crossed my mind. That's why I shared my story.
I know the NASM is continuing to work on an extensive list and inventory of the NASA Speedmasters. As friendly as I've become with a few there, they are reluctant to share much information regarding S/Ns until their work is complete.
