I have to admit my new Seamaster 300m is a better watch than my Submariner

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It’s your money, but I’d not have done that deal.

i was waiting for someone else to express this before commenting. I’m glad the original poster is happy with the deal, and I can see it from his perspective — he traded a $750 watch (what he paid in 1986) for a $10k watch (at full MSRP) - a deal from that perspective.

But I agree — I would not have made a straight trade. Maybe if I got a some cash back as well, or perhaps for two watches.
 
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yah I’d definitely take the free JLC with the MV of 20k because that would be an amazing opportunity, even more so than the free 15k Rolex

that’s my point. I would consider the MV of the watches and so would you
I think you are confusing your beliefs with those of everyone else’s. To me your logic makes no sense at all: you are removing all monetary value from consideration by making a rule that the watch can’t be sold, only worn and enjoyed. Therefore the only reason to choose the Rolex would be if you personally value it more, perhaps because you like it more, or think it’s better quality, or would derive a feeling of personal elevation from association with the brand, or whatever. Market value has nothing to do with it.

Now, if one were allowed to sell the watch, there is no question I would choose the Rolex, because I could sell it and have more options to buy watches I actually wanted, since neither the Rolex nor the seamaster appeals to me.
 
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Again here’s my thought experiment.

you are offered a brand new model sub or Seamaster for free. Let’s say the only stipulation is that you get to keep it and wear it as much as you want until you die, then it goes to charity. And you can continue to buy and wear other watches as much as you want.

99% of the board, if honest, takes the free 15k sub over the free 5k Seamaster.

what does this thought experiment prove? IDK but I’m totally convinced that if we did it I would be right.

I personally prefer the style and the fit of the Seamaster, so count me as 1 out of your 100.

Aside from looks alone, I personally would not want the added attention a submariner would bring.
 
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Welcome to the club! And I know at least one AD that sells both.
 
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If you set aside price, most would want the Sub. Like if someone offered you a new Sub or a new Seamaster 300 for free, and the only stipulation is that you can never sell it or gift it, but you can wear it for the rest of your life then it gets donated to charity. Of course you take the Sub.

Nope...
 
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Again here’s my thought experiment.

you are offered a brand new model sub or Seamaster for free. Let’s say the only stipulation is that you get to keep it and wear it as much as you want until you die, then it goes to charity. And you can continue to buy and wear other watches as much as you want.

99% of the board, if honest, takes the free 15k sub over the free 5k Seamaster.

what does this thought experiment prove? IDK but I’m totally convinced that if we did it I would be right.

I don’t care if you are convinced, but it would be great I’d you showed us all a little respect and not tell us all what we think.

The only way I would take the Sub in this scenario is if I could sell it and buy something I really wanted. Since that is not an option, and I’m getting the watch for free, I’m going to choose the one I would actually want to wear for the rest of my life, and that sure isn’t the Sub.

And yes I’m being honest. Modern Subs are gaudy dreck...
 
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It sure is! Subs are just overrated. There are several other great divers out there. The Glashutte SeaQ is one example.
 
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If you set aside price, most would want the Sub. Like if someone offered you a new Sub or a new Seamaster 300 for free, and the only stipulation is that you can never sell it or gift it, but you can wear it for the rest of your life then it gets donated to charity. Of course you take the Sub.
I would disagree, right now most people are leaning towards Rolex for the resale value not that much the actual watches. If prices are the same and resale value is the same I think side to side most people would take the Seamaster. After owning both I know that I like the Seamaster better than the Submariner. If someone would give me one for free I would get the Seamaster.
 
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I think market value is considered in everyone’s watch decisions. I’d rather buy a 5k Seamaster than a 15k sub. But if you offered to give me either watch for free, even if I couldn’t just simply sell it and spend the money elsewhere, I take the sub. Because I love them both but one is a 15k watch and the other is a 5k watch. And I think 99% of this board takes the free sub, if they’re 100% honest
I don’t think that the Sub is worth 15k. That is only good marketing and people willing to over pay for something that gives them status.
 
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Sounds like this guy can have this conversation all by himself and doesn't need any actual facts or information. He already knows how everyone thinks. If someone says otherwise, they're just not being honest. He knows.

He'll be at 200 posts in no time at this rate.
He is not a WIS yet, just a shop merchant mentality...
 
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Rolex has a lot going for it, but like gbesq I don’t like any of the designs, and find them ugly and jarring but the Cellini is better than a lot. Design looks trapped in the past, probably partly to maintain the value piece. I am no expert but on a lot of the breakdowns on older watches the Rolex materials and solutions look more elegant and higher quality and the use of gold indices is wider across the range.

I thought I would want a Rolex one day, but only the air king 5500 and the Cellini or maybe 1950s oysters would have a chance on aesthetic grounds. It’s a perception personal thing. A lot of the value is supply/demand and demand driven by broadest recognition.

I suspect a lot of Rolexes are bought as gifts by people who don’t give two hoots about horology.
 
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I think market value is considered in everyone’s watch decisions. I’d rather buy a 5k Seamaster than a 15k sub. But if you offered to give me either watch for free, even if I couldn’t just simply sell it and spend the money elsewhere, I take the sub. Because I love them both but one is a 15k watch and the other is a 5k watch. And I think 99% of this board takes the free sub, if they’re 100% honest
I take the Sub, because the Sub, to me, is a more pleasing design. Faced with a choice between the Daytona and the Speedmaster, Speedmaster every time (unless I already had one).
 
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Congrats on the new watch but oh man what a bad financial deal that AD made out like a bandit! I don't understand how the 300m was a 10k watch doesn't the grey dial list for 5k? Besides that you should have gotten 20% minimum on the Omega. I paid cash for my white 300m and got 35% off I see used asking prices for more than I paid for a new 1.

There's literally nothing hard about selling 1 privately in this day and age. You join the Facebook Rolex buy and sell group get paid and ship it away or you only meet them face 2 face at a police station and bring a friend with you.

It's interesting that apparently Rolex will not permit its' ADs to also carry Omega - at least I've never seen an AD that also carried Omega.)
Not true there are a few in Toronto that carry both.
 
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Congrats on the new watch but oh man what a bad financial deal that AD made out like a bandit! I don't understand how the 300m was a 10k watch doesn't the grey dial list for 5k? Besides that you should have gotten 20% minimum on the Omega. I paid cash for my white 300m and got 35% off I see used asking prices for more than I paid for a new 1.

The original poster traded he Rolex GMT Master for a Speedmaster Moonphase co-axial, not the 300m Seamaster. I also missed that the first I read his statement. He had previously purchased the Seamaster and was so impressed by it, that he decided to trade one of his Rolexes for another Omega. It was a more reasonable trade, but still not the best he could have done.
 
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Good click bait.📖
I must admit, though how much I love Omega, that modern submariners (it's not fair to compare a modern SMP with a vintage submariner) are better in almost every facet than a SMP, but specially talking about bracelet, size, design and ergonomics.
 
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Good click bait.📖
I must admit, though how much I love Omega, that modern submariners (it's not fair to compare a modern SMP with a vintage submariner) are better in almost every facet than a SMP, but specially talking about bracelet, size, design and ergonomics.

Barring perhaps the bracelet, the other facets you have listed are purely subjective (size, design and ergonomics).
 
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Barring perhaps the bracelet, the other facets you have listed are purely subjective (size, design and ergonomics).
You're right, I forgot some people like the chunkier the better.
 
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I would maybe consider Rolex Submariner but not to replace my Seamasters.

Couple things turn me off:

-Overpriced with crazy waiting list
-it has become rather dangerous brand to wear, there is so much theft with gangs focusing on Rolex, I would worry every time I wear it
 
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So either we are all liars, or a horrible representation of the broader forum? 😁