How long does a complete service REALLY take?

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I've always been curious about this. I have a 2531.80 over at Omega undergoing a full service. This is the third time I've sent a watch to them and they've all come back at around the 5 week mark. But I'm curious if it even needs to take that long. I assume the main reason it takes this long is because they're working on more than one watch. So out of curiosity, how long would a complete manufacturer service take from beginning to end if they continuously only worked on that one particular watch? A day? A few days? Let's take polishing out of the equation as well, even though I believe this happens in parallel while the movement is being serviced.

And then there's quality control which includes timing and power reserve check, so that's a couple of days right there. Am I wrong to presume that a complete manufacturer service should only take a few full days? What about the actual "servicing" part on the movement - how long would that usually take?

I know co-axials are more complex and involved, so let's just assume this question is for a Swiss lever escapement movement.
 
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I've always been curious about this. I have a 2531.80 over at Omega undergoing a full service. This is the third time I've sent a watch to them and they've all come back at around the 5 week mark. But I'm curious if it even needs to take that long. I assume the main reason it takes this long is because they're working on more than one watch. So out of curiosity, how long would a complete manufacturer service take from beginning to end if they continuously only worked on that one particular watch? A day? A few days? Let's take polishing out of the equation as well, even though I believe this happens in parallel while the movement is being serviced.

And then there's quality control which includes timing and power reserve check, so that's a couple of days right there. Am I wrong to presume that a complete manufacturer service should only take a few full days? What about the actual "servicing" part on the movement - how long would that usually take?

I know co-axials are more complex and involved, so let's just assume this question is for a Swiss lever escapement movement.
I got my 2254 back from omega Miami after 8 weeks. A very long 8 weeks lol
 
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Less than a day couple hours closer to reality if done by one guy and no re brushing needed or anything else. Another day or so to make sure it’s keeping time and it’s done.

The problem is that any good well known watchsmith or service center is going to have 50-70-100’s of watches backlogged for service which is why it takes so long sometimes. My go to smith is 6-8 weeks. Omega is about 8 weeks right now.

Granted, if you have something with an insane amount of complications it may take longer but on average, it doesn’t take long at all.

There’s is a guy on YouTube with a channel. I think his name is Mark Lovick? He breaks down movements all the time in no time and puts them back together.
 
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There’s is a guy on YouTube with a channel. I think his name is Mark Lovick? He breaks down movements all the time in no time and puts them back together.
A Mark Lovick service for my Reduced took 7 weeks posting off to receiving back. I would rather things were done properly than hurridly. Still happy with it.
 
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As @Archer has pointed out many times, questions like this are always best answered by “it depends...”

On what? That he’d have to explain (or another watchmaker, but from what I do understand:
- the type of watch movement itself
- the type of repairs and parts replacement
- availability of parts (he sometimes has to search and wait until he finds and receives certain hard to find vintage parts)
- amount of true watchmaking “work” required to repair parts of the movement (lots of fancy words I don’t understand...)
- how many other projects he has on the go
- how much he likes you
- how much he likes working on the particular movement
- if it’s a special / different movement or watch, as he enjoys a change sometimes
- if he’s on holiday

EDIT:
- also depends how many threads on OF he answers in a day, some of his posts must take a fair bit of time as they are thorough, full of details and pics from old services
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I read somewhere that Omega technicians are expected to service four movements a day.
They don't mess around repairing parts, they just replace them with new.
 
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As @Archer has pointed out many times, questions like this are always best answered by “it depends...”

On what? That he’d have to explain (or another watchmaker, but from what I do understand:
- the type of watch movement itself
- the type of repairs and parts replacement
- availability of parts (he sometimes has to search and wait until he finds and receives certain hard to find vintage parts)
- amount of true watchmaking “work” required to repair parts of the movement (lots of fancy words I don’t understand...)
- how many other projects he has on the go
- how much he likes you
- how much he likes working on the particular movement
- if it’s a special / different movement or watch, as he enjoys a change sometimes
- if he’s on holiday
The OP was asking about Omega factory servicing.
 
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The OP was asking about Omega factory servicing.
Sure, and if we wait for the Omega service reps to post a meaningful response, I guess we’ll be waiting a long time... (I have yet to see them post answers here).

Some of my items were related to an independent watchmaker, but the first 4 just be equally relevant at a service center, no?
 
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I read somewhere that Omega technicians are expected to service four movements a day.
They don't mess around repairing parts, they just replace them with new.
Wow, that is interesting. Another great reason not to send a watch to them...
 
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Wow, that is interesting. Another great reason not to send a watch to them...
I would have no problem with them fitting new parts in a movement.
I recall Al saying that an Omega technician has every part for the movement he or she is servicing readily available on their bench.
 
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I would have no problem with them fitting new parts in a movement.
I recall Al saying that an Omega technician has every part for the movement he or she is servicing readily available on their bench.
For modern watches, yes. Any vintage watch, not so much.
 
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Apparently, like 20 minutes not including polishing and waiting for the ultrasonic cleaner to do its thing + drying.

This guy takes apart a Speedy in a few minutes:

 
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I had a full Omega service done at the end of last year on my Gemini 4 LE. It took 11 weeks from the time I dropped it off at the AD until it arrived back at the store. Omega returned the parts they replaced. They replaced the crystal, two rubber gaskets, chrono pushers, all of the hands and chrono hands, and some internal movement parts in the picture below. Watch has been running fine since I got it back - prior to the service I never got the full power reserve and the watch ran noticeably slow. Now it runs very accurately and has the full power reserve. I'm happy with the result of the service.
 
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So out of curiosity, how long would a complete manufacturer service take from beginning to end if they continuously only worked on that one particular watch?

Good question, and as you might expect if you understand the Swiss, Omega has standards for workshop productivity as outlined in Work Instruction 48 that tell you exactly how long this should take.

The time that a service is expected to take will depend on the movement complexity of course, but for the Cal. 1120 in your 25318000, this is a "WP2" class movement and for a complete maintenance service they allow 2 hours and 55 minutes. This includes disassembling, cleaning & assembling of movement, dial/hand setting, casing and timing. Additional times are alloowed for things like diagnosis, gathering spare parts, and things like bracelet and case refinishing, but the basic service is just under 3 hours.

WP3 movements include co-axials like the 8500, and for those the time allowed is 3 hours and 25 minutes. For a vintage movements that will have more issues, the WP4 class will allow 4 hours and 5 minutes.

For more complex movements like chronographs, the WP5 class includes the 861 and 1861 Speedmaster movements, they are allowed 3 hours and 35 minutes. Cal. 3303, 3313, 9300's are WP6, and are allowed 4 hours and 30 minutes. The longest time allowed is for the mechanical complications in class WP7, so movements like the 980 alarm movement, 3600 split seconds chronograph, etc. and those are allowed 6 hours and 45 minutes.

These are average times, as clearly some watches can take much longer than others of the same type do depending on the condition, and simply how well they "cooperate" during the service. Omega also has efficiency factoring for watchmakers who are learning, so if you are a new graduate from watchmaking school, your "productivity coefficient" for the first 3 months will be 0.5, so you are expected to take twice as long as the average times. Then as you get closer to the end of your first year, you are expected to get better and at one year in you should be at 1, so meeting those average times I've set out above.

Cheers, Al
 
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Good question, and as you might expect if you understand the Swiss, Omega has standards for workshop productivity as outlined in Work Instruction 48 that tell you exactly how long this should take.

The time that a service is expected to take will depend on the movement complexity of course, but for the Cal. 1120 in your 25318000, this is a "WP2" class movement and for a complete maintenance service they allow 2 hours and 55 minutes. This includes disassembling, cleaning & assembling of movement, dial/hand setting, casing and timing. Additional times are alloowed for things like diagnosis, gathering spare parts, and things like bracelet and case refinishing, but the basic service is just under 3 hours.

WP3 movements include co-axials like the 8500, and for those the time allowed is 3 hours and 25 minutes. For a vintage movements that will have more issues, the WP4 class will allow 4 hours and 5 minutes.

For more complex movements like chronographs, the WP5 class includes the 861 and 1861 Speedmaster movements, they are allowed 3 hours and 35 minutes. Cal. 3303, 3313, 9300's are WP6, and are allowed 4 hours and 30 minutes. The longest time allowed is for the mechanical complications in class WP7, so movements like the 980 alarm movement, 3600 split seconds chronograph, etc. and those are allowed 6 hours and 45 minutes.

These are average times, as clearly some watches can take much longer than others of the same type do depending on the condition, and simply how well they "cooperate" during the service. Omega also has efficiency factoring for watchmakers who are learning, so if you are a new graduate from watchmaking school, your "productivity coefficient" for the first 3 months will be 0.5, so you are expected to take twice as long as the average times. Then as you get closer to the end of your first year, you are expected to get better and at one year in you should be at 1, so meeting those average times I've set out above.

Cheers, Al

This is awesome and really answers my question. I appreciate you sharing this. Based on this, it does seem like much of the wait in a manufacturer service probably has to do with other watches being "in line" before yours, since the service itself should only have a few hours. Factor in testing and quality control afterwards, add a few days to that. It really only seems like the end-to-end process should not last more than a week, tops.

Again, this is truly helpful as I've always been curious about this!
 
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It really only seems like the end-to-end process should not last more than a week, tops.

Well keep in mind these times are under ideal conditions. Let's look at a real life example of how the flow can go, or not go, when servicing a particular watch...

Earlier this month I received five of the 25318000 SMP's you are getting serviced at Omega from one collector (plus some other watches), so since this is unusual to get this many at one time, I decided to try doing the services all at the same time to see if I could gain some efficiencies. The day after they came in, I disassembled the first one, put it in the cleaning machine, and while that was being cleaned I disassembled the second one, and so on until all 5 were disassembled and cleaned. I inspected the parts for all 5 and that's where things went awry right away. While I stock a lot of parts, I didn't have all the parts I needed for all 5 watches, so I had to order parts in.

Omega is pretty good with getting parts to me, so I compiled a list, placed the order on a Friday, and all the parts came in Monday....almost. Some parts are on backorder from Switzerland, and that immediately adds 2-3 weeks. So I have 4 of the watches serviced and in final testing, but one is still in it's fully disassembled state as it was the day after I received it, and it's been that way for 2 weeks now. So if these were all from different people and yours was that last one, then you can see that getting this done in a week is not going to happen. And I pull parts from the same stock that the service center uses, so if they are out of the parts, it's not just my job waiting, it will be all the watches of this type that the service center is servicing at the time. People here have stated that when they track the status of their repair at an Omega service center, that sometimes "waiting for parts" comes up, and that's when the parts are coming from Switzerland to wherever the local service center is, so it does happen.

The time required also depends a lot on how the testing is done after service. There are certainly watchmakers out there who adjust the rate to one position, case it up, and call the watch done. For me (and for Omega) that's not a proper testing regime. My post service testing lasts 10 days in itself, and that is at a minimum. I test the watch for 24 hours in each of the 6 positions, plus 24 hours on the final test winder to give me an idea of how it will wear on the wrist, and then test the run time buy letting it run down until it stops. If at the end of the test I find the average rate is fast or slow, I adjust the rate and run the test again.

So for me personally, there's no way I will finish a mechanical watch service and have it back in a week...but people want different things from their watchmakers clearly. I'm sure the wait is annoying to some, but doing the job right takes time.

I think using the best case scenario and saying "it should take a week tops" is probably pushing things more than a little.

Cheers, Al
 
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My Speedmasters have taken around 3 months from dropoff to pickup at the Omega Boutique.
 
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So far... I dropped my watch off End of Oct and signed final paperwork over email Nov 4. It was a pleasant experience.

"Customer Service Department" emailed... consider an authentic strap & buckle. But big mistake, I answered and because of that, they never sent my watch to Switzerland. I clued in Nov 13, and clarified to keep the strap discussion separate.

So now Jan 20th following up and told the watch will arrive by Mar 23. I have a feeling they forgot to send in my watch again...
 
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I have a caliber 321 that was received by Omega on June 4... I was planning (and so were they) on having it back for Christmas. Now I’m just hoping they can get it back within a year 🤔 or... that they lost it and will feel obliged to send me a 321 remake as a replacement 😝
 
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Thanks for posting this - an interesting and informative discussion.