How Did I Do? - Seamaster Automatic Pre-T Dial

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sleepyastronaut

·Oct 23, 2021

Happy Saturday, OF family.

First Omega purchase, how did I do?

eBay find, in need of a service, no movement shots (yet,) unrestored and priced accordingly.

Seamaster, unconfirmed 165.001

Vertical bushed, 'pre-T' tritium dial

Signed crown & crystal

Period correct Speidel Twist-O-Flex (Made in USA)

 

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Clelow

·Oct 23, 2021

Looks nice! Great watch to wear.

 

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Duracuir1

·Oct 23, 2021·Never Used A Kodak

I like it! That bracelet is cool but may not be kind to the lugs.

 

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dsio

·Oct 23, 2021·Ash @ ΩF

Nice, I’d bin the twist o flex and get it on a strap but a decent Seamaster

 

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Bruffell06

·Oct 23, 2021

Looks very clean!

 

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sleepyastronaut

·Oct 23, 2021

dsio

Nice, I’d bin the twist o flex and get it on a strap but a decent Seamaster

Thanks, dsio!

Twist-O-Flex is coming off, but not going in the bin. There's a fair chance the band was added at time of purchase, so it's getting an ultrasonic and going into the box.

 

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nicks

·Oct 23, 2021

Nice catch. Hope you can save the crystal, looks like it might be cracked.

I bet we’re curious about what you paid.

 

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amcclell

·Oct 23, 2021

I like the twist-o-flex bands myself. Both of my grandfathers had nice watches and had Speidel expansion bands, so I have a soft spot for them. The spring loaded ends can wear the insides of the lugs but I am easy on the two watches they are on and they are only worn occasionally.

 

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sleepyastronaut

·Oct 23, 2021

Knives out, people

Pics of the Seamaster straight from the mail:

 

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sleepyastronaut

·Oct 23, 2021

nicks

Nice catch. Hope you can save the crystal, looks like it might be cracked.

I bet we’re curious about what you paid.

Crystal looks solid to me, there's a long gash for sure, but I'm not seeing a crack.

What would you pay for this watch?

 

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Passover

·Oct 23, 2021

sleepyastronaut

What would you pay for this watch?

What did you pay?

 

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Dan S

·Oct 23, 2021

I think it's a good find. The only issue I see at all is that I would assume it has been re-lumed. Which is not a big deal for a watch like this IMO.

 

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sleepyastronaut

·Oct 23, 2021

Dan S

I think it's a good find. The only issue I see at all is that I would assume it has been re-lumed. Which is not a big deal for a watch like this IMO.

Hey Dan,

Any tip offs that it's been relumed? I'm seeing lume plots that are relatively consistent in shape and don't seem to have moisture discoloration. What else should I be looking for in terms of lume?

 

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Dan S

·Oct 23, 2021

IMO the lume dots are not the size, shape or color that one would expect to see for the original lume on a watch of this era. Again, not a big deal.

 

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sleepyastronaut

·Oct 23, 2021

Dan S

IMO the lume dots are not the size, shape or color that one would expect to see for the original lume on a watch of this era. Again, not a big deal.

I used the following as reference.

( From https://www.blackbough.co.uk/produc...963-steel-automatic-vintage-wristwatch-wyosw/)

Do these lume plots look original? They're somewhat more deteriorated than mine.

 

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amcclell

·Oct 23, 2021

Here they are on one of mine that is the same age.

 

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Dan S

·Oct 23, 2021

sleepyastronaut

I used the following as reference.

( From https://www.blackbough.co.uk/produc...963-steel-automatic-vintage-wristwatch-wyosw/)

Do these lume plots look original? They're somewhat more deteriorated than mine.

Probably, yes. Or at least they are more correct-looking. Those lume dots are smaller and yellowed, and they are sitting nicely inside the concave ends of the markers instead of spilling out of it. However, I suspect that the bright white lume in the hands is not original.

 

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sleepyastronaut

·Oct 23, 2021

Here's my dial charging under UV light, then immediately after dark. Glow falls off after a few seconds.

 

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kingsrider

·Oct 23, 2021

165.002.
An educated guess. This is not pre-T
The lack of T (tritium) is an indication that originally, dial and hands did not have tritium lume. Earlier versions of the 165.002 and 166.002 had a single T if they were lumed, then later two T's.

Movement shot and case reference are needed. Price? paid or asking?

Edited: Oct 23, 2021

 

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sleepyastronaut

·Oct 23, 2021

kingsrider

165.002.
An educated guess. This is not pre-T
The lack of T (tritium) is an indication that originally, dial and hands did not have tritium lume. Earlier versions of the 165.002 and 166.002 had a single T.

This is a 165.001, as it has no bezel. 165.002 is nearly identical, but with a separate bezel.

This watch was manufactured after the switch to tritium, but before the Swiss standardized on the T mark on the dial. The tritium lume with the lack of a T on the dial places the manufacture date between 1962 and 1963.