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Hoping to get a bit of feedback on this Omega Constellation

  1. timmy123 Aug 30, 2019

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    I have this watch and am not an expert on these. Not the original owner. I'd like to know what is correct or incorrect about it and any other comments. Thank you in advance!

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  2. Passover Aug 30, 2019

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    Watch seems to be in complete original, unmolested condition

    Definately needs a service (serious rotor rubbing), hope the dial can be carefully cleaned.

    Sad that the outer caseback has been damaged by inappropiate opening attempts :(

    US market watch

    EDIT: Sorry, the hands are not original to the watch, a bit too short I think and former were lumed
     
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  3. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Aug 30, 2019

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    Ref 14902 should have a caliber 561 movement (date).
     
  4. Passover Aug 30, 2019

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    I stand corrected!
     
  5. KingCrouchy Aug 30, 2019

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    Weird with the Movement, my Ref.14902 has a Cal.561. Here you can spot the difference between a dial with lume and the one without on yours.
     
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  6. seekingseaquest Aug 30, 2019

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    Looks like the case back got switched on the OP’s Connie.

    I think the hands are okay except they’re missing their inlays.
     
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  7. TexOmega Aug 30, 2019

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    Original yellow gasket could explain the rotor wear.
     
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  8. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Aug 30, 2019

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    No, not that much wear...needs a new rotor pinion.
     
  9. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Aug 30, 2019

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    Hands are correct, but are missing lume. No lume on dial. Incorrect caseback.

    This is a frankenwatch of some sort.

    Watch has had water intrusion at some point.

    Dial is quite desirable, has a cross hair and onyx in markers.

    Price needs to be low, as there is work to do to make this a collector's watch.
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  10. timmy123 Aug 30, 2019

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    “Watch has had water intrusion at some point.”

    Where do you see that? Wear and age yes - I’m not seeing rust. Anyway given that this is a Frankenwatch I’m going to part it out. Not a watch to restore given wrong movement for case or case back. Any objectors?
     
  11. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Aug 30, 2019

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    Here:
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    The black on the gasket is mold. I’m not saying it was underwater, but this watch looks like it was worn for a long time in a humid environment where condensation could have occurred.

    Most watchmakers would replace this gasket during a normal service.
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  12. timmy123 Aug 30, 2019

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    Ok but water intrusion doesn’t = humidity. I’ve seen a lot worse without people saying water was in it.
    Interesting to me that the case or case back has approx the same year as the movement serial no. Someone went to some trouble (or maybe coincidence?) to find same age parts. Though on further review maybe that means they’ll have similar wear or consistent cosmetics.
     
  13. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Aug 30, 2019

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    The damaged gasket shows that water resistance was compromised. This pattern on the dial looks consistent with condensation.

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    Condensation = water intrusion.

    Remember that we are not sure whether the movement goes with the case or not. There could also be replacement plates in the movement that would have replaced damaged parts.

    With a 55+ year old watch, anything is possible.

    There is no way to know for sure.
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  14. timmy123 Aug 30, 2019

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    Hard to believe most any watch of this age wouldn’t have some small signs of condensation - unless an indoor only a/c drawer queen. Aren’t some desirable dials “tropical” at least in part due to humidity?
     
  15. Dan S Aug 30, 2019

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    Nope. Many watches of this age have well-preserved dials if they have been cared for properly. It's debatable what leads to tropical dials, but that's something different altogether; certainly they are not rusty. Also, many people find dial damage more acceptable if it's subtle and evenly distributed. Spotty uneven damage is not generally considered particularly desirable.
     
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  16. TexOmega Aug 30, 2019

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    Luckily, I did not quantify the wear that I see.
     
  17. timmy123 Aug 30, 2019

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    Zooming in this dial - for example - doesn’t look much better. I’d like to see an up close shot of a pristine dial of the same vintage. They must bring a pretty penny as I have a hard time believing they are common.
     
  18. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Aug 30, 2019

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    You didn’t need to...the wear is severe, with the worn section reaching nearly across the entire arc of the rotor. Far more that would be seen due to a flattened seal.
     
  19. Dan S Aug 30, 2019

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    Yes, that dial is also damaged. Just keep participating in the forum and look through the WRUW thread. You will see plenty of vintage watches with great dials.
     
  20. timmy123 Aug 30, 2019

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    Well it still seems to rotate just fine and without wobble.