Hodinkee Insurance

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For my insurance I need an appraisal of each watch to be insured. It seems that I skip that step as they would (I assume) appraise against my listed value. It just seems a faster cleaner process for collectors like us that have constant changes in our collections

If they Appraise against their value ( from their vintage watch sales ) all your watches will be well insured 😉
 
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Actually seems like not a bad idea. I already know that Chubb is considered one of the go-to insurers for watches, and it sounds like this removes a huge hassle from the equation both on the insurance side as well as hopefully on the claims side. I'll prob check it out, see what the premiums look like.
 
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Good business initiative but are they doing anything new or revolutionary beyond simple white label insurance that plenty of other companies already offer?

It could be very interesting if they get involved in the valuation side but might be too much of a leap for a magazine/retailer and not sure I’d trust them based on the crazy prices of their vintage pieces.
 
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I hear jeweler's mutual pays out but I remember them being quite pricey. Most people I know insure with their homeowner's insurance.

Yes the travel clock was crazy... but hopefully this service is pretty good.
 
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Interesting. Wonder if it also gives them access to a real-time “database” of high end watches among the collector community that they could use, say, to “hunt” for a particular piece that they know one of their customers is looking to buy... They would know, for example, that Client A is looking to acquire a certain vintage Omega or Rolex or UG (😉), and could look to match him up with Client B who insures such a piece through Hodinkee/Chubb. Hmm.
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This thread got me really curious on insurance so I just did a dive through this forum. I am currently using JewelersMutual and have had good experience thus far (never had to file...yet). Since Hodinkee uses Chubb, and not knowing much about them, I found this thread/comment to be useful and interesting. Just posting for others to see

I work within the insurance industry (although not on the "personal lines" side, which this would be). I would say that the most efficient, cheapest and (likely) best way to insure watches is on a home owners or renters insurance policy.

You will need to speak to a broker in order to find the policy that fits your specific needs - you don't pay for their time - they're given a commission by the insurance company.

As a general statement, you ought to find an insurer that offers to insure your watches and jewelry on a "rider" - essentially a separate add-on policy to the main policy. By way of example, mine allows me to insure up to $30,000 in watches and jewelry without appraisal or even telling the insurance company what I have. The rider carries no deductible (I.e. I pay nothing if there's a claim) and all pieces are insured to replacement value.

A number of years ago I had a Tag Heuer Monaco stolen - I reported it and was told to go to any reputable jewelry store and get a price on replacing the piece - I'd bought the Monaco used on eBay for $1,400, but it didn't matter. As I was insured to replacement value, I received $6,000. My policy is through a global insurer called Chubb (I'm in no way affiliated with them - in fact I compete with them) - they are seen as one of the premier insurance companies for personal lines. They're more expensive but, as noted above, provide an exceptional experience in the event of a claim.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/insurance-options.63506/#post-794993
 
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Just tried pricing a Rolex watch - $15k insured value comes out to $210 / year so 1.4%.
That's a definite "no" then. I pay less than that for my entire watch collection through home insurance.
 
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That's a definite "no" then. I pay less than that for my entire watch collection through home insurance.

Yeah looks like I pay $156 annually through USAA for $4800 of jewelry coverage and $3500 for specifically my Speedy. This is probably higher or right about the same that I would pay through the Hodinkee plan if I dropped my watch off of that.
 
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Where I live, it is very difficult and expensive to get traditional homeowners insurance due ridiculous rates for windstorm and flood insurance. Most of the companies that offer such insurance are not top tier companies. Some people actually can only get insurance by a State of Florida owned insurance company. I don’t think this company will offer jewelry riders.

This looks like an excellent alternative to traditional homeowners insurance riders especially for vintage watches. I might give it a try.
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I think this is a strong add from H in my opinion - and having a underwriter such as Chubb makes good sense (they are known generally for having more expensive but very good policies).

I wrote a bit on stolen watches and insurance here on OF, and still can't believe that about 40% (note the caveats on that post) live dangerously with no insurance. Hope this gets people at least to consider the option before something unfortunate occurs.

Note that insurance policies vary wildly in terms of what they will cover (if loss happens during travel, while shipping, during servicing, etc.), when they give discounts (home safe and type, how often worn, if kept at bank), if values are automatically adjusted each year, etc. Just to say...read all the details when selecting, and don't just look at the % of value, as often that will vary greatly depending on what you are getting.
 
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Be aware what info they require to hook you up:

From their website, when you need to click you agree to it before getting a quote:

To provide an accurate quote, we may obtain information about you and any household member from consumer reporting agencies and other third parties where permitted by law. In connection with this application for insurance, we may review your credit report or use a credit-based insurance score on the information contained in your credit report (in applicable states), driving and claim histories and other consumer reports. We may use this information to underwrite and/or rate your policy.
 
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Be aware what info they require to hook you up:

From their website, when you need to click you agree to it before getting a quote:

To provide an accurate quote, we may obtain information about you and any household member from consumer reporting agencies and other third parties where permitted by law. In connection with this application for insurance, we may review your credit report or use a credit-based insurance score on the information contained in your credit report (in applicable states), driving and claim histories and other consumer reports. We may use this information to underwrite and/or rate your policy.
Insurance companies using your credit score (FICO or otherwise) for underwriting purposes is pretty standard these days, history has shown that those with lower credit scores have a tendency to have higher claim activity. Every time I get my six month auto renewal statement there is a sheet telling me my scores were used to help set my rate along with driving record and age. I wouldn't think Chubb would be any different.

I wrote a bit on stolen watches and insurance here on OF, and still can't believe that about 40% (note the caveats on that post) live dangerously with no insurance. Hope this gets people at least to consider the option before something unfortunate occurs.

'Living dangerously' is relative. I live in a town of about 11,000 in a gated community with 185 homes, in the approx 20 years of its existence there has been ONE burglary, and that was traced to a tradesman, and quickly solved. Insurance is there to protect you from catastrophic financial, or legal, situations so home, auto and life insurance makes sense. Although I have a lot tied up in my watches it wouldn't be catastrophic to my financial life if they suddenly were stolen. Hence I self insure. When I'm away from the house for more than a couple of days the watches and my wife's jewelry goes into the bank's safe deposit box. Everybody's situation is unique. In my situation I don't think spending a lot of money on insurance premiums is warranted. I don't consider it living dangerously at all. If you live in an apartment in a large city in an iffy part of town it might make sense to insure.
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Insurance from a publishing company feels like getting my car worked on by the staff at the McDonald’s drive-thru.
It’s actually Chubb, so it’s a legit insurance company.

looks like they sat down with Chubb and made a nice set of policies for owners. The 150% valuation up to policy max is a nice touch.

also trying to insure a collectors watch is virtually impossible. I tried a few times for some clients and I used to have a CA insurance license.
 
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Be aware what info they require to hook you up:

From their website, when you need to click you agree to it before getting a quote:

To provide an accurate quote, we may obtain information about you and any household member from consumer reporting agencies and other third parties where permitted by law. In connection with this application for insurance, we may review your credit report or use a credit-based insurance score on the information contained in your credit report (in applicable states), driving and claim histories and other consumer reports. We may use this information to underwrite and/or rate your policy.

standard insurance boilerplate. Same thing for home insurance.
 
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It’s via Chubb, who are widely considered to be the gold standard in personal lines insurance. So they’ve contracted with the best.

I wouldn’t worry about the product on that basis - payout will likely be fast and with minimal difficulty (based both on Chubb’s reputation and my own personal dealings with them, both as a customer and as someone who works in the insurance industry).

I would be curious on pricing, as it’s typically advantageous to lump this onto your homeowners policy, particularly if you use Chubb for that. I’m also curious on compensation. Typical broker compensation is 20%.... sometimes they go higher on “programs” (I.e. group buys). Given that Hodinkee isn’t an insurance broker, they may be getting less than that... or more... which conceivably would effect the price.

In terms of concerns on rate Increases on your homeowners in the event of a loss... I had a $6,000 claim on a stolen watch a few years ago with Chubb. I had a cheque in my hands inside a week, and had no increase on my premium. $9,000 (even $25,000 or $100,000) is a nothing burger for Chubb.... the market has shifted slightly and increases are happening due to other reasons, but they’d likely not be driven by what is typically a pretty minor loss.

I would absolutely price out insurance via this route and see how it stacks up. If you aren’t currently using Chubb and the pricing is close, I would say that this is probably the better option.
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I’ve also used jewelers mutual in the past, but it was a bit of a hassle, getting quotations, photographing the watch (like I never do that!) etc.

This route seems way easier and I’m willing to pay a bit more for the convenience (and peace of mind given the ease and speed of coverage ) ...

 
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'Living dangerously' is relative. I live in a town of about 11,000 in a gated community with 185 homes, in the approx 20 years of its existence there has been ONE burglary, and that was traced to a tradesman, and quickly solved. Insurance is there to protect you from catastrophic financial, or legal, situations so home, auto and life insurance makes sense. Although I have a lot tied up in my watches it wouldn't be catastrophic to my financial life if they suddenly were stolen. Hence I self insure. When I'm away from the house for more than a couple of days the watches and my wife's jewelry goes into the bank's safe deposit box. Everybody's situation is unique. In my situation I don't think spending a lot of money on insurance premiums is warranted. I don't consider it living dangerously at all. If you live in an apartment in a large city in an iffy part of town it might make sense to insure.

Yes, "living dangerously" was meant tongue in cheek 😉
 
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This thread, like so many others on this forum, is an absolute gold mine of information on a topic of which I am in abject ignorance.
 
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To add a bit more...the process today from some insurers is incredibly simple (no notary, no receipts/appraisals, no photos...), so this isn't really something new. Having said that, I am glad H is offering it and giving the topic of insurance its due and exposing people to the idea of insuring their pieces who might not have done so previously.
 
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Checked it out, Hodinkee is approx. 2x the price to insure my PAF Seamaster for 1 year, than I currently pay thru Travelers. (That may of course reflect any sort of "bundle" discounts but I doubt I'm getting half off.)

Still, the easy process to add or remove watches is very nice. I suppose if I wanted to cheap out a bit more on car or home (renter) insurance, this would be a better option, though it would depend on how much I could lower my premium by only insuring my less-valuable watches with a blanket policy.