Geneva Results Discussion November 2021

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Just saying (as examples of what I’d rather have)

Very nice but owners of classic cars won't be able to drive these beauties 🙁
New legislation will ban all fossil fuel cars within a decade... so maybe there might be events for classic cars or You'll have to admire it from Your private showroom. The sound the smell and the look & feel of these classic cars is unique, but many have already been "electrified"...
The way of the Future ?
 
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All of a sudden...
where did all these unique, incredibly rare, one-of-a-kind early and very well-preserved tropical Speedmasters come from?
👎 😕

Master Chef.....
 
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It will be interesting to see how this affects the price of the watches up for auction in Geneva by Sotheby’s and Antiquorum.
 
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It will be interesting to see how this affects the price of the watches up for auction in Geneva by Sotheby’s and Antiquorum.
I guess it depends if the two under bidders are at the auctions.
 
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Master Chef.....

I’ve tried cooking the shit out of a Speedmaster dial and nothing happened except the lume darkened. The most exciting part came from my Wife’s glee when she thought I was actually cooking a meal in there.
Cheers, Michael
 
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I’ve tried cooking the shit out of a Speedmaster dial and nothing happened except the lume darkened. The most exciting part came from my Wife’s glee when she thought I was actually cooking a meal in there.
Cheers, Michael
 
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At the end Bacs asked if they could specify where the watch will eventually go and the representative replied "from China with love"..
So, not HK.
 
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The 2915 dial body colour is natural.

there is an established history of bidders from China that agree a very high price for an auction lot and then take a very long time to pay, or renegotiate. First heard of in 2013 when a Chinese buyer renegotiated his auction win from £43m to about 20m. Now auctioneers try to put pre sale conditions on buyers.

Cooking dials is not simply 20 minutes at gas mark 5. It’s putting them in one of these - and you cannot test with a less valuable modern dial because they are different. And you can try a cheaper machine, but it has eluded me so far.




Like others I have dabbled in dial treatments - it’s a hangover from when I used to try to replicate the gemstone treatments in the lab for research. But honestly, to make a brown dial in an oven, or even a UV test chamber, is going to require the testing of many many dials to destruction. The surface of a vintage dial is unique. Each one would react differently.

So it is my opinion there are less dials with a changed body surface colour than I initially feared there might be - the whole purpose of my research. The same goes to all other Speedmaster guys who have tried the same - we are looking to reassure ourselves it’s not a matter of a simple process to alter a dial, such that we think it looks naturally patinated vintage.

This price will bring brown dials out of the woodwork from everywhere. I have been shown five privately since the sale asking, what do I think, is it worth $3.5m?

these are rare, but there are pleanty about and a nominal price of 3.5m is going to persuade everyone to part with them.

even I am tempted. Well no I’m not, but my wife is telling me to sell them.
 
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Lot 116 was a steal IMO. Romain Gauthier Prestige HMS for $47,000 CHF....would have loved that one personally.
I wondered how do you set the time on this one?
 
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All of a sudden...
where did all these unique, incredibly rare, one-of-a-kind early and very well-preserved tropical Speedmasters come from?
👎 😕

Instagram is full of them today 😲
 
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Instagram is full of them today 😲

Yes, it is ridiculous, these total A-holes showing tropical Speedmasters all over the net today now thinking their watches are worth fortunes.
Here’s mine 😁
 
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I like the fact vintage Speedmasters are getting some limelight, they have been in bit of a stalemate the last few years, not losing money but way off the Rolex hysteria.

If the Asian markets are becoming interested in vintage Speedmasters then that may power a price increase at least down to the last step dials.

I recently bid at auction on a nice 1035 bracelet but lost it to a Hong Kong buyer🙁
 
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Instagram is full of them today 😲

Actually love it as it is hiding all the standard Rolex fair you see everyday.
 
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It will be interesting to see how this affects upcoming auction sales of 2915s and 2998s in the next couple of years. It took a while for the market to catch up when the 2915-1 sold in Sweden for 250 K. Even Lot 111 of Phillips' Nov 2018 auction did not match it. At least I can now scrap my years-long dream of finding an A3 dial to trade against my A4 dial.....
 
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I wondered how do you set the time on this one?

Using the crown, which is on the back...
 
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Yes, it is ridiculous, these total A-holes showing tropical Speedmasters all over the net today now thinking their watches are worth fortunes.
Here’s mine 😁
Aye, ridiculous.
Here’s mine.
 
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I would show mine off but not a hint of brown in sight, if anything the dial is going a nice graphite colour and the bezel has a hint of blue..

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I was poking about in my site and came across this assessment of the last "World Record Speedmaster"

https://speedmaster101.com/blog/phillips-2915-1-sold-for-412000/

I also make reference to the Bukowski Speedmaster, and I feel that it may be the most honest of all three

There is a photo of it and a link to all original sources on the page
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