Fake Speedymoon on ebay

sky21 · Apr 13, 2016

M moonphaselover
I think it was "only" mid - 240's

HOWEVER, it is in the "Guinness book of world records"
as the all-time fastest (survived) motorcycle crash.....

Having seen the Bonneville salt flats many times, it's a good thing there's a lot of room out there with that crash! Do you still go that fast in your 70's?

moonphaselover · Apr 13, 2016

sky21
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Seems like you are seeing the big picture with your watch too,
sometimes it's not meant for resale.

The guys and gals on this forum will definitely let you know
if you have a lemon or a peach if you ask for their opinion or
post something for sale that doesn't look quite right.

How nice to be among like-minded folks,
that will offer-up their hard won (like mine)
knowledge.

moonphaselover · Apr 13, 2016

sky21
...sometimes it's not meant for resale...

I keep my father's Gruen, from World War 2,
and wear it on his birthday.

I keep my grandfather's key-wind Hamilton
pocket watch, and wear it on HIS birthday.

moonphaselover · Apr 13, 2016

sky21
Having seen the Bonneville salt flats many times,
it's a good thing there's a lot of room out
there with that crash!

Do you still go that fast in your 70's?

My family is a little "sensitive" about my "advanced age,"
and have requested that I "back off" a little,
and keep it under 220-230 mph.

My riders, however, are pushing
270 mph pretty hard
(269+ mph twice....)

sky21 · Apr 13, 2016

M moonphaselover
I keep my father's Gruen, from World War 2,
and wear it on his birthday.

I keep my grandfather's key-wind Hamilton
pocket watch, and wear it on HIS birthday.

That's a perfect attitude to have around here and the more experienced OF members here will appreciate it. They will give you any help they can as long as you are honest about your listings, and having a thick skin doesn't hurt either with this crowd.

moonphaselover · Apr 13, 2016

sky21
That's a perfect attitude to have around here and the more experienced OF members here will appreciate it. They will give you any help they can as long as you are honest about your listings, and having a thick skin doesn't hurt either with this crowd.

I appreciate the generous welcome

blacksharpie · Apr 13, 2016

Wow... @moonphaselover. The couple of times I've done the ton on my little cafe 75 Honda CB360 I almost wet myself. Can't imagine what 250 must feel like. Also, pretty cool that you came on and claimed the watch listing. Thumbs Up.

moonphaselover · Apr 13, 2016

blacksharpie
Wow... @moonphaselover.

The couple of times I've done the ton
on my little cafe 75 Honda CB360 I almost wet myself.
Can't imagine what 250 must feel like.

Also, pretty cool that you came on
and claimed the watch listing. Thumbs Up.

And thank you also for a comfortable welcome !

A careful reading of the first article will
reveal that my 251mph World Record
was set to celebrate my 60th birthday......

moonphaselover · Apr 15, 2016

I now have an appointment with my
watchmaker(s) for this coming Tuesday,
and maybe we can yank the hood open,
and have a look at the motor in this thing......

BTW, Just for fun, I have wound
the watch, and it runs quite well.

The date and moonphase properly
advance at midnight.

If this is NOT a moonphase watch,
how can this be so ?

Any bets on how this is happening,
or what we will find inside ?

Taddyangle · Apr 15, 2016

@moonphaselover

Glad you ended up here, u will fit right in.

Get a pic of inside case back as well.

moonphaselover · Apr 15, 2016

I will be taking my cameras with me,
and expect to put them to use.

I will also be taking about
ten (10) more watches with me.

Thanks Taddy !

I called ahead, and reserved an
HOUR of the head watchmaker's time,
AND that of his #2 watchmaker.

Gonna get Lotsa facts,
Lotsa opinions,
and Lotsa pictures !

Any opinions about which
movement is really in there ?

Taddyangle
@moonphaselover

Glad you ended up here, u will fit right in.

Get a pic of inside case back as well.

blacksharpie · Apr 15, 2016

Looking forward to the pics.

moonphaselover · Apr 19, 2016

OK: Went to the watchmaker this morning,
who was quite helpful, fairly knowledgeable
about Omega watches, and took some time,
and got all of the functions working.

A) The Chronograph functions reliably when
it does start, but won't start every time.

My guy thinks this is probably a service
question, since it DOES work.

B) The moonphase indicator advances.

C) The date indicator advances.

D) He put the watch on the "clicker,"
and the watch runs about
10 sec's per day fast.

We took the back off:

Here's a first blush, while I am
trying to post pictures to this site:

Pictures are included in the
re-posted eBay ad, at:

1) The main 17J movement is marked as
an OMEGA 17J movement

.

2) This movement is has serial 2622089

3) The FUNCTION of the watch has,
and working, chronograph, seconds,
minutes, hours, date of the month
and moonphase.

This begs several questions:

I) Did Omega ever use a "Non Omega"
movement in their Speedmasters ?

II) Did Omega use a "second" movement
"on top" of the "watch functions"
to provide the date and moonphase ?

Looking forward to your gentle responses....

Scott

moonphaselover · Apr 19, 2016

Posted. I welcome constructive criticism.........

redpcar
Scott, A picture of the movement would help everyone 😀

moonphaselover · Apr 19, 2016

Pianoist: Do me a favor and look over your post(s)
and see if the more critical comments are still appropriate.

My attempts to get to the bottom of this are interesting, but lengthy and time - consuming.

At this point, I would be willing to concede that this watch LOOKS VERY
different from others from about the same period.

Is it a FAKE ?

Or is it a "BITSA ?" (see my later posts)

Is it an Omega case ?
(probably so, but modified,
and from what ?)

Omega dials ?
(Probably so, but re-painted ?)

Omega movements (?)
(Probably, but original to
this TYPE of watch ?)

Original Crystal ?

(Maybe not, but almost
certainly Omega)

Back ?

(Sure looks right to me
on the INSIDE. If from
another watch, than which one ?)

Back stencil ?

(Did the very early #321 "pre-moon"
have a different back ?)

Bezel ?
(Maybe it is not Omega,
but what then ?)

I am willing to accept "incorrect,"
which is a lot less crushing than "FAKE !"

How about a "Tribute to a Speedmaster Moonphase ?

Pianist
Fake dial, fake bezel, fake case,...
😲

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-OME...419070?hash=item1eae9b197e:g:aF4AAOSwnTJW~zyZ

moonphaselover · Apr 19, 2016

You callin' me a CROOK ?

al128
thx, very educational .... you might want to pull
that photo in a couple of days ... no reason
to make the crook's lives easier

👍👍👍

moonphaselover · Apr 19, 2016

Taddy: I would welcome some additional constructive criticism......

The cut-outs for the stem and pushers on the right side
of the case do look a lot different that the ones you illustrate with.

IF my case is "bogus," than what is the origin of this case ?
Omega, aftermarket ? Could an original case be "counter bored
larger to give the cut-outs for the crown and stem to look like this ?

The moonphase and date "pushers" on the left side look wrong too.
Can it be that there is a correct movement in there, and somebody
just bored additional holes in an ordinary Speedmaster to
accommodate the "top" movement ?

The back looks OMEGA to me, but if it is
not from a moonphase, than what ?

The movement is marked OMEGA,
and the "chronograph" bits seem to work.

If not the correct movement,
that what was the "donor ?"

Taddyangle
Could this be put together from authentic Omega parts? Certainly I think we would agree the dial and bezel are not, as well as the monthly date hand.

In addition to the movement pic, it would be good to see a picture of inside the case back. Case back is not correct for this model as well. The watch you have was first sold in 1985. The case back on the watch would belong on a late 1960s watch. I think others with more experience can comment on the outside of the case back, given all the other issues, I would have reservations if this too is authentic.

Earlier I had not even looked at the case, basically I stopped after looking at the bezel and dial. But the workmanship below is nothing like any of the Speedmasters I own.

As far as the bracelet, the 633 end links look suspect as well. The stamping of the "633" looks wrong.

moonphaselover · Apr 19, 2016

Done as requested.....

redpcar
Scott, A picture of the movement would help everyone 😀

Taddyangle · Apr 19, 2016

Scott,

You got a lot going on here.

Not sure how to describe this, it looks like you have authentic parts from various speedmasters, along with parts that are not authentic.

As far as the movement, there are too many different parts to lead me to think this was a moon phase originally. Possible, but I don't think likely. Serial number is from a 321, and there are a few other parts that are not moonphase. Seems like an odd mix.

Id like to hear an opinion on the case back, I have no idea if it is authentic or not.

I think consensus would be bezel and case not authentic. The dial is so badly done, I mean really bad, and that along with the case and bezel the red flags immediately go up.

Taddyangle · Apr 19, 2016

M moonphaselover
You callin' me a CROOK ?

Scott, he is saying those that make the replicas are always looking for tips on how to improve. The items I highlighted might help them. He was definitely not referring to you.

The forgers are getting so good, that many can't even tell the difference.

One is fake, one is not. I suspect even some here cannot tell the difference.

Fake Speedymoon on ebay

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