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rob#1
·As was discussed by the commentators during the race (about the Lap 1 incident, which many have forgotten about) there needs to be a driver’s briefing early next year where the exact rules are set out (and subsequently enforced accurately) so that drivers know what to expect if they err. WWF1 needs to draw a line under this season, and start the new regulations era with clear and fair rules (with hopefully no barristers in the garage). Perhaps they could also keep the cars within the track (inside the white lines) so that there’s no controversy surrounding ‘track limits’ 😉.
This thread needs a picture, so here’s 2022’s funky new car, wing covers and all:
This thread needs a picture, so here’s 2022’s funky new car, wing covers and all:
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jhross98
·I don't get this whole "he was ahead by 10 seconds, so it isn't fair" line of thinking
Mercedes strategy was obviously and inevitably vulnerable to a late safety car. They knew it (hence Lewis's string of profanity on the radio when he got word Latifi crashed)
That's RACING. It isn't always fair
I can't help but think this whole kerfuffle could have been avoided had Massi sent all the cars through a lap earlier. Why didn't he ? If he does. . we get the same result and there is nothing whatsoever to complain about.
Karma is a bitch. . Lewis should have been penalized for putting Max into the wall earlier in the year and Bottas took Max out in Hungary.
I think we have a deserving champion and the greatest season the sport has ever seen and the only folks who seem to really be upset about it are the Brits
Mercedes strategy was obviously and inevitably vulnerable to a late safety car. They knew it (hence Lewis's string of profanity on the radio when he got word Latifi crashed)
That's RACING. It isn't always fair
I can't help but think this whole kerfuffle could have been avoided had Massi sent all the cars through a lap earlier. Why didn't he ? If he does. . we get the same result and there is nothing whatsoever to complain about.
Karma is a bitch. . Lewis should have been penalized for putting Max into the wall earlier in the year and Bottas took Max out in Hungary.
I think we have a deserving champion and the greatest season the sport has ever seen and the only folks who seem to really be upset about it are the Brits
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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskI don't get this whole "he was ahead by 10 seconds, so it isn't fair" line of thinking
Mercedes strategy was obviously and inevitably vulnerable to a late safety car. They knew it (hence Lewis's string of profanity on the radio when he got word Latifi crashed)
That's RACING. It isn't always fair
I can't help but think this whole kerfuffle could have been avoided had Massi sent all the cars through a lap earlier. Why didn't he ? If he does. . we get the same result and there is nothing whatsoever to complain about.
Karma is a bitch. . Lewis should have been penalized for putting Max into the wall earlier in the year and Bottas took Max out in Hungary.
I think we have a deserving champion and the greatest season the sport has ever seen and the only folks who seem to really be upset about it are the Brits
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Foo2rama
··Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can.I don't get this whole "he was ahead by 10 seconds, so it isn't fair" line of thinking
Mercedes strategy was obviously and inevitably vulnerable to a late safety car. They knew it (hence Lewis's string of profanity on the radio when he got word Latifi crashed)
That's RACING. It isn't always fair
I can't help but think this whole kerfuffle could have been avoided had Massi sent all the cars through a lap earlier. Why didn't he ? If he does. . we get the same result and there is nothing whatsoever to complain about.
Karma is a bitch. . Lewis should have been penalized for putting Max into the wall earlier in the year and Bottas took Max out in Hungary.
I think we have a deserving champion and the greatest season the sport has ever seen and the only folks who seem to really be upset about it are the Brits
Masi could not have sent the lapped cars ahead of the safety car a lap earlier as the track was not clear. Remember the cars go full speed to catch up once they are released from the safety car.
As for the penalties for Silverstone which I think you are referring to all the racing drivers I know agree that it was not Lewis's fault, but Max's. I am not a racing expert as I have little head to head racing experience, but I am friends with many ex pro drivers all the way up to the F1 level.
3 of them are Pro Max, and they all agreed Masi's call was massively in error and flagrantly outside the rules and his domain. They are also all confident that the FIA will not reverse it as doing that would look even worse at this time.
Everyone can agree that Masi needs to go, there needs to be more consistency ( umm track limits....) And rules can not be changed in the middle of races to suit the "spectacle."
I'll tell you who was also really hurt by this call was the 5 drivers who where actually racing for position that where allowed to unlap but could not pass each other until they crossed the safety car line which would have been at the end of the final lap.. ie no racing for them. So Masi made a race between 2 cars that where no longer racing at the expense of a 5 way race for points that where in the middle of it prior to the accident.
So you feel it was correct to penalize 5 drivers for the sake of a more exciting finish for 2 positions that where all but finalized before the incident?
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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskI'll tell you who was also really hurt by this call was the 5 drivers who where actually racing for position that where allowed to unlap but could not pass each other until they crossed the safety car line which would have been at the end of the final lap.. ie no racing for them. So Masi made a race between 2 cars that where no longer racing at the expense of a 5 way race for points that where in the middle of it prior to the accident.
So you feel it was correct to penalize 5 drivers for the sake of a more exciting finish for 2 positions that where all but finalized before the incident?
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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskThis is a very weak argument. If it had ended under a safety they wouldn’t have raced either.
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Foo2rama
··Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can.If the deacon wasn’t made then these guys wouldn’t be allowed to race either.
neither of those 2 things have ever been done in F1 history.
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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskThey could have races if Masi had not made 3 choices that have never been made in the history of F1. Only ask some cars to unlap. And secondly restart the race before those cars had finished unlapping as the rules state that they have 1 full lap to unlap themselves before the race restarts.
neither of those 2 things have ever been done in F1 history.
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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskWhat I am saying is 100% adherence to the rules means no racing for anybody. Letting all the lapped cars through means no racing for anybody. Letting the lapped cars through that they did means no racing for anybody let through, but only for the top 2 that we all saw. Either way only the outcome of the top 2 was affected.
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Evose
·If it adherence to the rules means no racing, then it's no racing. I don't see the reason/purpose to disregard and manufacture outcomes. Where's the integrity? It sets a poor precedent and undermines why these teams work so hard. I'm honestly disgusted by what transpired.
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texasmade
·What I am saying is 100% adherence to the rules means no racing for anybody. Letting all the lapped cars through means no racing for anybody. Letting the lapped cars through that they did means no racing for anybody let through, but only for the top 2 that we all saw. Either way only the outcome of the top 2 was affected.
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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskMasi should've stuck to his original decision of no unlapping if he didn't want the race to end under SC. This still feels like he made up a new rule in the middle of the race to help the "spectacle".
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texasmade
·That’s where I think a lot of people are confused. There were no rules made up, only interpretation of the rules. The race director is in charge. The FIA will not rule against Masi. Years past there were draconian penalties for losing FIA appeals.
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorNext year make it once your lapped your out of the race. That would make it easier. 👍
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Martin_J_N
·I don't get this whole "he was ahead by 10 seconds, so it isn't fair" line of thinking
Mercedes strategy was obviously and inevitably vulnerable to a late safety car. They knew it (hence Lewis's string of profanity on the radio when he got word Latifi crashed)
That's RACING. It isn't always fair
I can't help but think this whole kerfuffle could have been avoided had Massi sent all the cars through a lap earlier. Why didn't he ? If he does. . we get the same result and there is nothing whatsoever to complain about.
Karma is a bitch. . Lewis should have been penalized for putting Max into the wall earlier in the year and Bottas took Max out in Hungary.
I think we have a deserving champion and the greatest season the sport has ever seen and the only folks who seem to really be upset about it are the Brits
I'm a Brit but I'm not unhappy. 😀
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Martin_J_N
·Next year make it once your lapped your out of the race. That would make it easier. 👍
Like it, a word of caution though, I watched Nigel Mansell and Keke Rosberg at Brands Hatch way back when, Rosberg got a puncture on lap 1 yet finished second to Mansell they were the only cars on the same lap by the end. Not much fun for spectators.
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YY77
·Not much fun for spectators.
