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pitpro
·Hold on! Let me get some popcorn
Ebay Vintage Omega Seller - Needs Some Help
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MSNWatch
··Vintage Omega AficionadoI think we are looking at 2 very different customers here - VintageOmega's customers who want a totally refinished watch with a "custom" dial that looks nice and shiny, runs and keeps accurate time. The fact that someone actually paid over $1500 for a heavily finished blue dial 14k omega is testament that such a customer exists and VintageOmega caters to this crowd. Then there are the ones who crave originality above all else and want an all original unmolested sample and there are many regulars here in the forum who belong to that crowd and are horrified watches like the electric blue dial omega are even produced. I will never buy such a watch and will never refinish any watch that I own in that fashion even if I could potentially get a higher price for it. That being said, VintageOmega and other sellers like him cater to customers who want such watches and merely fill this void and apparently make money from this practice.
There's room for all these sorts - the fellow who purchases an electric blue dial vintage omega still purchased a vintage omega (although this may be stretching the definition a bit) and has some level of appreciation for the brand in its vintage form. I would say let's find these people and let's educate them to the merits of buying original untouched examples.
There's room for all these sorts - the fellow who purchases an electric blue dial vintage omega still purchased a vintage omega (although this may be stretching the definition a bit) and has some level of appreciation for the brand in its vintage form. I would say let's find these people and let's educate them to the merits of buying original untouched examples.
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VintageOmega
·Its just like Rolex with Aftermaket dial or custom bezel.
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ulackfocus
·And that's fine - if the seller describes a custom redialed watch correctly. This thread is about a watch that's VERY improperly described.
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFIts just like Rolex with Aftermaket dial or custom bezel.
Then if you ever try to sell it to a dealer they'll pay you dramatically less for it due to it not being original, and on it goes
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ulackfocus
·Hold on! Let me get some popcorn
Guys, I've figured out what's wrong here: ME! I'm dumb enough to argue with somebody who's not realizing that a whole forum of collectors is trying to make sense to him. And I know why - because of this thread alluded to earlier on page 2 of this discussion:
http://omegaforums.net/threads/inte...nder-what-a-3-or-4-out-of-10-looks-like.3403/
We actually changed the opinion, for the better, of an eBay vendor about their selling descriptions. Silly me for thinking lightning would strike twice, especially where money is concerned.
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jbibz
·Why do you use the word restored when a more accurate word would be customised,(amongst a few others we could mention but I think we have covered that) surely that would be a more honest description of your product, and as you are obviously here looking for vindication of what you do then why would'nt you? Would it be by any chance the fear of losing a few sales? That is the part I think you will find some people have a problem with.
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VintageOmega
·Why do you use the word restored when a more accurate word would be customised,(amongst a few others we could mention but I think we have covered that) surely that would be a more honest description of your product, and as you are obviously here looking for vindication of what you do then why would'nt you? Would it be by any chance the fear of losing a few sales? That is the part I think you will find some people have a problem with.
Here is a correct definition on restored from Wikipedia: something restored, replaced, or reconstructed
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CanberraOmega
·Ok, let grab one the vintage original Omegas i sold, whats wrong with this scale of rating?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160921450719
How can you say that both this one and the first one are both 9.5/10? Do you honestly think that both of these are equal????
This website may earn commission from Ebay sales.
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MyVintageOmega
·(ulackfocus) thankyou for your profound insights in this matter. All bang-on as per norm. To argue can often be to educate.....and that you have. (all butt kiss aside)👍
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFrestoration [ˌrɛstəˈreɪʃən]
n
1. the act of restoring or state of being restored, as to a former or original condition, place, etc.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/restoration
n
1. the act of restoring or state of being restored, as to a former or original condition, place, etc.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/restoration
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VintageOmega
·Yea, but people buy those not knowing any better, then 5 years down the track when its time for servicing, RSC sends the watch back to you with a polite message saying "This watch is no longer an original ROLEX and can not be serviced by the Rolex Service Center".
Then if you ever try to sell it to a dealer they'll pay you dramatically less for it due to it not being original, and on it goes
Yes, nobody knows what they are buying and aftermaket dial & bezel makers in business just for fun of it
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jbibz
·Yep you were right Dennis, back to the algebra
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VintageOmega
·restoration[ˌrɛstəˈreɪʃən]
n
1. the act of restoring or state of being restored, as to a former or original condition, place, etc.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/restoration
3. something restored, replaced, or reconstructed
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFYes, nobody knows what they are buying and aftermaket dial & bezel makers in business just for fun of it
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MyVintageOmega
·Yep you were right Dennis, back to the algebra
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ulackfocus
·3. something restored, replaced, or reconstructed
Man, you are REALLY proving how bad you are! Just like a typical eBay seller who omits pertinent information on their watch to conceal the WHOLE truth, you're omitting the important part of that definition to bias it in your favor. You left off the ending: "to a former or original condition". Go read the other thread and how we called out the seller on that trick.
I hope everyone is taking note of his argument and tactics. It's exactly the things that experienced collectors hate about dubious sellers. As Norm said - what they don't say is more important than what they do say.
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jbibz
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ulackfocus
·Here ya go - this is how a restored redial should look:
before
after
You'll have to excuse the white balance on the first pic - it was from the seller.
before
after
You'll have to excuse the white balance on the first pic - it was from the seller.
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