Ebay Vintage Omega Seller - Needs Some Help

V VintageOmega

9.5 out of 10 is condition of the watch not originality.

U ulackfocus

But it's not the condition of the watch - it is based on originality. All ratings scales - and you can check the commonly used TZ rating system - are based on how close the watch is to NEW condition. Polishing and repainting a dial take it far from new.

.... but look who I'm debating this with. You should make it clear that your assessment is based on how pretty you think it looks and not on any other scale accepted by anyone who deals with watches. This is why you'll find plenty of threads that call out eBay sellers who take liberties with their descriptions. As a matter of fact, another seller was just here trying to defend his "9 out of 10" self-rated watch that was mauled in our opinion:

http://omegaforums.net/threads/inte...nder-what-a-3-or-4-out-of-10-looks-like.3403/

V VintageOmega

ulackfocus,

Again i would like to point out, this listing is for restored watch, that is clearly stated in description. What else you do not understand?

U ulackfocus

I don't understand how you can make up your own rating scale to give a watch a mark that's so high it would be laughable if it weren't such an end run around reality to make money. You should work for ShopNBC selling Invictas. They hype things through the roof too. Sellers like you are why phrases like "caveat emptor" exist.

That's it - I'm done. Made my point in no uncertain terms. Justify your scale anyway you want, but at the end of the day it's still obscenely biased in favor of you making a sale.

V VintageOmega

Again this is restored watch, i do not see your point here.

U ulackfocus

And you never will.

jbibz

Flogging and dead horse come to mind

dsio

Look ultimately the 9.5/10 or whatever scale, given it is an OMEGA watch has to be based on the amount of Omega's original work is left. If you've refinished the case, refinished the dial, and replaced the strap, its a watch you've put together with Omega written on it (by you or your redialer no less). You're no longer rating an Omega watch, you're rating your work, or rather your opinion of your work.

Mike's RG Constellation De Luxe is a 9.5/10 watch, a true NOS watch is a 10/10. A watch that someone has completely redone the dial of, grinded bits off to make it look shiny, and thrown together is putting lipstick on a pig, you might think it looks nice but its not a collectable watch, or even a good watch, its parts that should be used for spares being thrown together for profit.

dsio

Yes, but taking vintage cars as an example, there's a local guy in Brisbane that runs Sleeping Beauties: http://sleepingbeauties.com.au/completed.html

Considered one of the best european car restorers in the world. When he restores a car he gets it back into original condition as it should have been when it left the factory. When he gets a 300SL, he doesn't say well, it would be worth more as a convertible, or if it were converted to a 300SLR, he restored it the way it should have been.

Accurate, extremely close to original redials are actually complimented often here, JLC's work in particular is near flawless in many cases, but doing a metallic blue dial on a Seamaster just to make it stand out and look more pimp isn't restoration, its butchery. Similarly grinding the lugs down to make a shagged out case look unscratched and new again compromises the shape of them, they'll never look right again.

That's the key thing here, we even have a few dealers and many more flippers on Omegaforums but those that we have love Omegas and are collectors as well. Unless it left the factory looking the way it currently does, you're going to have a very difficult time finding sympathy for your argument.

V VintageOmega

All the restoration business is around the customer and what they want, it has nothing to do the guy that restores it.

dsio

Absolutely, and the customer want's an Omega watch. That's what they're trying to buy, if you want to make electric blue dialed dress watches, you could open a company and do that, and maybe people would even buy them, but they're purchasing said watch because they want an Omega, a real, original Omega. And while we know "restored" is a term that can be used with some license, the average punter sees it and assumes they're buying a watch that has been returned to the state in which it left the factory. Which is a false assumption, as it never looked that way at all.

U ulackfocus

And there are the Chip Foose's of the world who will gladly pimp your vintage ride - BUT IT ISN'T "RESTORED".... it's customized. You are NOT RESTORING these watches. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Can you grasp the difference? Or do we need to parade the WHOLE membership through this thread to say the same thing?

Your best bet is to just go back to selling your redialed things and stop trying to change our mind. You won't get any sympathy here because you're wrong.




Your definition of restored is completely skewed. Your rating scale is personally biased at best, and I'd go as far as calling it a sham.

dsio

Which part is incorrect?