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路God, if you do not want to sell it, be happy and wear it. invest the money for an excerpt from Biel. then you will know. looks good, is cheap, room for changes pricewise. excellent. kind regards. achim
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sdre
路God, if you do not want to sell it, be happy and wear it. invest the money for an excerpt from Biel. then you will know. looks good, is cheap, room for changes pricewise. excellent. kind regards. achim
Thank you all for the feedback and advice
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FreelanceWriter
路A few things:
1. If you don't check out directly through eBay, PayPal will not protect you against INAD claims; so never check out through any other means. PayPal will only protect you for non-delivery, delivery of a rock or an empty box instead of the watch you purchased, and receipt of a counterfeit item. The wrong bridge on a movement is a perfect example of what would definitely not be covered by PayPal but would be covered by eBay if the watch was described as a 100% authentic Omega Seamaster (or whatever), although you'd still have a bit of an uphill battle to provide very clear and authoritatively-sourced info (or a letter from a certified watchmaker) to prove that a part wasn't original to that watch to their satisfaction. If you could prove that the other party was on a forum, they'd consider a link to a forum discussion on issues like whether a buyer received and/or used the item, but not for authoritative substantive technical information, regardless who posted it. (I had to do that once and they ruled in my favor based on what the buyer said on WUS about installing the bracelet on his watch and scrubbing it with a toothbrush.)
2. Paying through PayPal with a credit won't add a layer of protection, because the "merchant" in that scenario is PayPal, not the seller. If PayPal rules against you, your credit card will not protect you no matter what the seller did for that reason and because you consent to allow PayPal to rule on disputes in your agreement with PayPal. I actually went through several AMEX reps and supervisors in 2012 before I finally got one of them to admit the above to me. I was asking precisely because I wanted know whether I was protected by AMEX if I paid for my Grail via PayPal but not through eBay.
Until then, each one of them just recited the same bullshit to me about how AMEX "does provide buyer protection" but would "first require the merchant (PayPal) to respond" to my claim before rendering a decision. Every rep I spoke to either directly or indirectly refused to answer the simple question (except by re-reading me the same bullshit) "Will AMEX protect me IF the merchant rules against me?" I got answers like "we can't respond to any situation until there's actually a claim" and "it's impossible to answer that until we know the outcome of the dispute with the merchant." Eventually, I got a supervisor to answer whether AMEX would protect me IF I filed a INAD claim and IF the outcome of my PayPal dispute is that PayPal rules against me and after I asked him who the "merchant" was in the transaction and whether AMEX would ever entertain a claim against the seller if PayPal ruled against me. Answer (after about a half an hour of this avoidance to give me a straight answer): "No." And AMEX generally offers the best customer protection of all credit cards, in my experience. That's why I was thinking about using them in the first place.
3. Yes, you probably can submit a video to PayPal by uploading it to Drop Box or You Tube if the buyer says he shipped your watch and you say that you received an empty box or a rock in a watch box and can prove it to them if they won't take your word for it. Photos aren't as good, because they could be faked much more easily than a video. If you do video it, make sure to show full views of every surface of the whole box still sealed before you begin opening it. You may have to argue your way past a few refusals, just as I did last year when my credit card initially refused to listen to my audio tape of Hotels.com promising to issue a credit after my hotel stay abroad to match the lower price I'd found on Otel.com. (When I asked for my matching-price credit after my trip, they told me that I needed to send them the link to the lower price on the other website, which was impossible, because the trip had already occurred. They simply baited and switched by telling me to call them after my trip for my credit when I provided the Otel.com price that they confirmed on the phone when I booked and paid for the trip.) When I finally got someone at Citibank to listen to my tape of the Hotels.com rep explaining to me that I'd receive my $232 credit only after my trip and reciting the reservation confirmation # and dates for my trip, they laughed pretty hard and then ruled in my favor against Hotels.com. But I had to fight through a few initial refusals to listen to my tape.
1. If you don't check out directly through eBay, PayPal will not protect you against INAD claims; so never check out through any other means. PayPal will only protect you for non-delivery, delivery of a rock or an empty box instead of the watch you purchased, and receipt of a counterfeit item. The wrong bridge on a movement is a perfect example of what would definitely not be covered by PayPal but would be covered by eBay if the watch was described as a 100% authentic Omega Seamaster (or whatever), although you'd still have a bit of an uphill battle to provide very clear and authoritatively-sourced info (or a letter from a certified watchmaker) to prove that a part wasn't original to that watch to their satisfaction. If you could prove that the other party was on a forum, they'd consider a link to a forum discussion on issues like whether a buyer received and/or used the item, but not for authoritative substantive technical information, regardless who posted it. (I had to do that once and they ruled in my favor based on what the buyer said on WUS about installing the bracelet on his watch and scrubbing it with a toothbrush.)
2. Paying through PayPal with a credit won't add a layer of protection, because the "merchant" in that scenario is PayPal, not the seller. If PayPal rules against you, your credit card will not protect you no matter what the seller did for that reason and because you consent to allow PayPal to rule on disputes in your agreement with PayPal. I actually went through several AMEX reps and supervisors in 2012 before I finally got one of them to admit the above to me. I was asking precisely because I wanted know whether I was protected by AMEX if I paid for my Grail via PayPal but not through eBay.
Until then, each one of them just recited the same bullshit to me about how AMEX "does provide buyer protection" but would "first require the merchant (PayPal) to respond" to my claim before rendering a decision. Every rep I spoke to either directly or indirectly refused to answer the simple question (except by re-reading me the same bullshit) "Will AMEX protect me IF the merchant rules against me?" I got answers like "we can't respond to any situation until there's actually a claim" and "it's impossible to answer that until we know the outcome of the dispute with the merchant." Eventually, I got a supervisor to answer whether AMEX would protect me IF I filed a INAD claim and IF the outcome of my PayPal dispute is that PayPal rules against me and after I asked him who the "merchant" was in the transaction and whether AMEX would ever entertain a claim against the seller if PayPal ruled against me. Answer (after about a half an hour of this avoidance to give me a straight answer): "No." And AMEX generally offers the best customer protection of all credit cards, in my experience. That's why I was thinking about using them in the first place.
3. Yes, you probably can submit a video to PayPal by uploading it to Drop Box or You Tube if the buyer says he shipped your watch and you say that you received an empty box or a rock in a watch box and can prove it to them if they won't take your word for it. Photos aren't as good, because they could be faked much more easily than a video. If you do video it, make sure to show full views of every surface of the whole box still sealed before you begin opening it. You may have to argue your way past a few refusals, just as I did last year when my credit card initially refused to listen to my audio tape of Hotels.com promising to issue a credit after my hotel stay abroad to match the lower price I'd found on Otel.com. (When I asked for my matching-price credit after my trip, they told me that I needed to send them the link to the lower price on the other website, which was impossible, because the trip had already occurred. They simply baited and switched by telling me to call them after my trip for my credit when I provided the Otel.com price that they confirmed on the phone when I booked and paid for the trip.) When I finally got someone at Citibank to listen to my tape of the Hotels.com rep explaining to me that I'd receive my $232 credit only after my trip and reciting the reservation confirmation # and dates for my trip, they laughed pretty hard and then ruled in my favor against Hotels.com. But I had to fight through a few initial refusals to listen to my tape.
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sdre
路A few things:
1. If you don't check out directly through eBay, PayPal will not protect you against INAD claims; so never check out through any other means. PayPal will only protect you for non-delivery, delivery of a rock or an empty box instead of the watch you purchased, and receipt of a counterfeit item. The wrong bridge on a movement is a perfect example of what would definitely not be covered by PayPal but would be covered by eBay, although you'd still have a bit of an uphill battle to provide very clear and authoritatively-sourced info (or a letter from a certified watchmaker) to prove your case to their satisfaction. If you could prove that the other party was on a forum, they'd consider a link to a forum discussion on issues like whether a buyer received and/or used the item, but not for authoritative substantive technical information, regardless who posted it.
2. Paying through PayPal with a credit won't add a layer of protection, because the "merchant" in that scenario is PayPal, not the seller. If PayPal rules against you, your credit card will not protect you no matter what the seller did for that reason and because you consent to allow PayPal to rule on disputes in your agreement with PayPal. I actually went through several AMEX reps and supervisors in 2012 before I finally got one of them to admit the above to me. I was asking precisely because I wanted know whether I was protected by AMEX if I paid for my Grail via PayPal but not through eBay.
Until then, each one of them just recited the same bullshit to me about how AMEX "does provide buyer protection" but would "first require the merchant (PayPal) to respond" to my claim before rendering a decision. Every rep I spoke to either directly or indirectly refused to answer the simple question (except by re-reading me the same bullshit) "Will AMEX protect me IF the merchant rules against me?" I got answers like "we can't respond to any situation until there's actually a claim" and "it's impossible to answer that until we know the outcome of the dispute with the merchant." Eventually, I got a supervisor to answer whether AMEX would protect me IF I filed a INAD claim and IF the outcome of my PayPal dispute is that PayPal rules against me and after I asked him who the "merchant" was in the transaction and whether AMEX would ever entertain a claim against the seller if PayPal ruled against me. Answer (after about a half an hour of this avoidance to give me a straight answer): "No." And AMEX generally offers the best customer protection of all credit cards, in my experience. That's why I was thinking about using them in the first place.
3. Yes, you probably can submit a video to PayPal by uploading it to Drop Box or You Tube if the buyer says he shipped your watch and you say that you received an empty box or a rock in a watch box and can prove it to them if they won't take your word for it. Photos aren't as good, because they could be faked much more easily than a video. If you do video it, make sure to show full views of every surface of the whole box still sealed before you begin opening it. You may have to argue your way past a few refusals, just as I did last year when my credit card initially refused to listen to my audio tape of Hotels.com promising to issue a credit after my hotel stay abroad to match the lower price I'd found on Otel.com. (When I asked for my matching-price credit after my trip, they told me that I needed to send them the link to the lower price on the other website, which was impossible, because the trip had already occurred. They simply baited and switched by telling me to call them after my trip for my credit when I provided the Otel.com price that they confirmed on the phone when I booked and paid for the trip.) When I finally got someone at Citibank to listen to my tape of the Hotels.com rep explaining to me that I'd receive my $232 credit only after my trip and reciting the reservation confirmation # and dates for my trip, they laughed pretty hard and then ruled in my favor against Hotels.com. But I had to fight through a few initial refusals to listen to my tape.
Thanks. That's why i still went ahead with the sale only via ebay + paypal.
Definitely, I'll do a video unboxing, cover all angles that its sealed and take it from there.
thanks
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路Thanks. That's why i still went ahead with the sale only via ebay + paypal. Definitely, I'll do a video unboxing, cover all angles that its sealed and take it from there. thanks
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路Truly. I think while everyone wants to be careful and to avoid scammers etc, the seller actually works with a pretty popular watch website that deals in watches. Based in NYC too. I understand the plate bridge is wrong and that the serial number may not be a SM300, and if that much is wrong, I'll try to settle with the seller on that part at least.
Because in his description he did say this :
Up for auction is this beautiful, 100% original reference 165.024, caliber 552 self-winding Omega Seamaster 300 from the late 1960鈥檚, Movement: caliber 522 was serviced a couple years ago that I can remember, it鈥檚 running well, however, the hands do not align properly. In other words, of you set the watch to say, 3 o鈥檆lock, the hour hand will be between 3 and 4 and not right on 3. They just need to be aligned, likely a simple job by your watchmaker but I will leave all this work to the next owner. It鈥檚 a small project of a watch.
To be fair, I don't think its a big issue to source for a correct plate for the 552 movement, but the serial number might be an issue. If it is not an authentic 552 movement (I can bring it to my Watchmaker and have it verified. He's a former Omega Tech. If more info is needed, I can bring it to Swatch group and have them write or vouch. There are a couple more Swiss qualified watchmakers that I know who will do the paperwork).
Worse case scenario I might just get a donor 552 movement and keep this one until I find the correct parts to make it right.
This is definitely a keeper in my books, and I didn't spend crazy money on it (well compared to my other watches) and I'm happy to just wear it. 馃榾
Because in his description he did say this :
Up for auction is this beautiful, 100% original reference 165.024, caliber 552 self-winding Omega Seamaster 300 from the late 1960鈥檚, Movement: caliber 522 was serviced a couple years ago that I can remember, it鈥檚 running well, however, the hands do not align properly. In other words, of you set the watch to say, 3 o鈥檆lock, the hour hand will be between 3 and 4 and not right on 3. They just need to be aligned, likely a simple job by your watchmaker but I will leave all this work to the next owner. It鈥檚 a small project of a watch.
To be fair, I don't think its a big issue to source for a correct plate for the 552 movement, but the serial number might be an issue. If it is not an authentic 552 movement (I can bring it to my Watchmaker and have it verified. He's a former Omega Tech. If more info is needed, I can bring it to Swatch group and have them write or vouch. There are a couple more Swiss qualified watchmakers that I know who will do the paperwork).
Worse case scenario I might just get a donor 552 movement and keep this one until I find the correct parts to make it right.
This is definitely a keeper in my books, and I didn't spend crazy money on it (well compared to my other watches) and I'm happy to just wear it. 馃榾
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路Hey just to update.
I received the watch yesterday. Just went to my watchmaker and verify that it is all original. Movement bridge has been changed but he says its easy to find a correct piece. I'll probably leave it as it is now, since it's running 1-2 secs +- and 220 Amp. Doesn't need a service.
Hour hand doesn't turn accordingly at the hour. Watchmaker took it and adjusted it. He says the dial isn't screwed tight hence the misalignment. He blew always the tritium dust and fixed it back. She's good to go. 馃榾
I'm delighted to have this and I know it isn't the best example, but I'm really happy to own one as such.
I received the watch yesterday. Just went to my watchmaker and verify that it is all original. Movement bridge has been changed but he says its easy to find a correct piece. I'll probably leave it as it is now, since it's running 1-2 secs +- and 220 Amp. Doesn't need a service.
Hour hand doesn't turn accordingly at the hour. Watchmaker took it and adjusted it. He says the dial isn't screwed tight hence the misalignment. He blew always the tritium dust and fixed it back. She's good to go. 馃榾
I'm delighted to have this and I know it isn't the best example, but I'm really happy to own one as such.
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felsby
路路I don't see any option in settings or profileCongrats! We have a saying in Denmark that may be appropriate here: "disappointments unfulfilled"! 馃榾
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speedamatuer
路Congrats, I'm glad your risk paid off! It may not be pristine but with the story behind acquiring it I reckon it could be a favourite none the less!
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rob#1
路Nice - looks good on that strap too. Congrats 馃槈
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