Constellation Original dial or not ?

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BERTY_CLB

·Jun 15, 2021

Hi all !

I’d like to have your opinion on this constellation pie pan dial.
The reference of the watch is 14393 61 SC.

It is announced as an original dial but I have some doubts.

On first picture the date window is well sided and looks good to me, so that's a good point.

As you’ll see in next picture, the dial fails MOY test but I understood from Desmond site that this can happen.

Last pic makes me more skeptical : the « Constellation » font doesn’t seems good for this watch. According to Desmond’s essay on dials, it’s the type of font used in what he called « Third Phase » so if I’m not wrong late 60 / 70.

What’s your opinion on that dial ? Original, Fake, refurbished ?

Thanks for your help.

 

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cristos71

·Jun 15, 2021

Non-original dial

 

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Servius

·Jun 15, 2021

Hello,

To me, it looks like a redial for sure. The fonts, thickness, position of text and second track, soleillage of the dial… Numerous hints 😀

 

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MtV

·Jun 15, 2021

Yup, the seller’s announcement is incorrect, unfortunately. Redial.

 

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Peemacgee

·Jun 15, 2021·Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungers

Well, you can’t say they didn’t put the serifs on the lettering!
Rather elaborate redial.

 

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Fallout Boy

·Jun 15, 2021

Redial: you can see that on the "i" in Constellation. Minute-hand IMO to short.

 

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Peemacgee

·Jun 15, 2021·Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungers

Fallout Boy

Redial: you can see that on the "i" in Constellation.

I think that’s probably the least of its problems 😉

 

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MtV

·Jun 15, 2021

Peemacgee

Well, you can’t say they didn’t put the serifs on the lettering!
Rather elaborate redial.

Yup, it's just a little weird that they got the serifs printed but completely failed with the sizes of the letters. In "AUTOMATIC" it's all over the place.

 

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Fallout Boy

·Jun 15, 2021

Peemacgee

I think that’s probably the least of its problems 😉

but its obvious at first glance 😀

 

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cineaste

·Jun 15, 2021

I see some nice redials out there recently, for example this one

https://www.tradera.com/item/190118/473957580/omega-constellation-pie-pan

 

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BERTY_CLB

·Jun 15, 2021

Thanks all for your answers. The price asked for this watch is 1500 euros. Knowing it's a redial what discount could be expected ? Or is it better not to buy ? My state of mind is : I can live with a redial but I don't want to pay premium price for it.

 

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Fallout Boy

·Jun 15, 2021

@cineaste: T mark only on demand 😀

 

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hejsam

·Jun 15, 2021

cineaste

I see some nice redials out there recently, for example this one

https://www.tradera.com/item/190118/473957580/omega-constellation-pie-pan

I don't agree that this is a "nice redial", the quality of the printing and the dial surface looks horrible.

 

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hejsam

·Jun 15, 2021

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Thanks all for your answers. The price asked for this watch is 1500 euros. Knowing it's a redial what discount could be expected ? Or is it better not to buy ? My state of mind is : I can live with a redial but I don't want to pay premium price for it.

For 1500EUR you should get a very nice original gold capped Constellation with some patience. IMO all prices are premium when its repainted, except if you just count in the value of the remaining parts. But you could probably find a similar conditioned like this for half of the asking price if that is what you looking for!

 

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Fallout Boy

·Jun 15, 2021

@BERTY_CLB IMO burnt money. Look at this (my) original dial:

https://sta.sh/0rzaks377kh

https://sta.sh/0rzaks377kh

(You can zoom in!)

Do you see the passed years, seasons, days 😉 ? You will miss that!

 

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MtV

·Jun 15, 2021

cineaste

I see some nice redials out there recently, for example this one

https://www.tradera.com/item/190118/473957580/omega-constellation-pie-pan

Must be the same guy - also serifs, also completely wonky writing. Printing quality is worse, though, that's far of a "nice redial" in my book.

@BERTY_CLB You have to know what it's worth to you. The users here are a bunch of enthusiasts who usually wouldn't tolerate redials - regarding the price that means that the watch is worth the sum of the remaining (original) parts. 1500€ will buy you an example in nice condition, all you need is some patience. 😀 For this one, I wouldn't want to spend a 4-figure sum.

/edit: @hejsam is obviously waaaay quicker in typing. My post reads like a c&p now. 😁🤦

 

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Peemacgee

·Jun 15, 2021·Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungers

cineaste

I see some nice redials out there recently, for example this one

https://www.tradera.com/item/190118/473957580/omega-constellation-pie-pan

hejsam

I don't agree that this is a "nice redial", the quality of the printing and the dial surface looks horrible.

Sorry to say @cineaste
@hesjam is being polite - That is a terrible redial and a pretty awful frankenwatch too.

edit: pics added for reference

Edited: Jun 15, 2021

 

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Passover

·Jun 15, 2021

Fallout Boy

Minute-hand IMO to short.

I don't think so... 😀

 

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Fallout Boy

·Jun 15, 2021

@Passover: yes sir ;-) I was wrong : its a pie pan....

 

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BERTY_CLB

·Jun 15, 2021

Fallout Boy

@BERTY_CLB IMO burnt money. Look at this (my) original dial:

https://sta.sh/0rzaks377kh

https://sta.sh/0rzaks377kh

(You can zoom in!)

Do you see the passed years, seasons, days 😉 ? You will miss that!

Beautiful