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Constellation dials: 'domed' or 'pie pan' or 'intermediate'?

Peemacgee
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Don’t worry - no real offence taken.
I was mischievously yanking your chain to say “don’t bite the hand that feeds you”.

The really great thing about this watch- collecting malarkey is that it’s very much ‘different strokes for different folks’.

Otherwise we’d all only want the same watches - and wouldn’t that be a shame.
 
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@kfranzk Konrad, we can all do with a bit of consensus-bothering sometimes! I've learned a lot from the experts in this thread, and that's all thanks to your persistence. 😀
 
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Then there are these where the dial is actually flat but design of dial makes it look like it raised. Though I think everyone considers these pie pans - even has the nickname the “last pie pan”

IMG_0879.webp
 
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Then there are these where the dial is actually flat but design of dial makes it look like it raised. Though I think everyone considers these pie pans - even has the nickname the “last pie pan”

IMG_0879.webp

Well, I think you have just broken some revelationary news there.

I suspect most folks in these parts consider the 168.0065 the last pie pan because it was indeed the last vintage pie pan.

Have you had your dial off to see that it is in fact flat?
 
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
Well, I think you have just broken some revelationary news there.

I suspect most folks in these parts consider the 168.0065 the last pie pan because it was indeed the last vintage pie pan.

Have you had your dial off to see that it is in fact flat?

Don’t think this is a revelation at all.
 
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Don’t think this is a revelation at all.

I may be wrong but, whilst there are a number of members who own this reference, I don’t think this fact has been mentioned until now on OF.

Nothing would surprise me about Omega but I’m genuinely interested in what led you to this conclusion.
Is it referenced somewhere, do you have pictures of the dial showing it being flat?

Edit
I should add - to ensure that we are talking about the same thing.
The central pane should be flat but the 12 sided outer field should be faceted and angled down from the central pane.
 
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Then there are these where the dial is actually flat but design of dial makes it look like it raised. Though I think everyone considers these pie pans - even has the nickname the “last pie pan”

IMG_0879.webp
I have been known to be very skeptical about the faux pie-pan dials, but that one does appear to be a true pie-pan, with a change of plane surrounding the dodecagonal center. I believe I can even see shadowing around the edge. Could be the photo, of course.
 
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I have been known to be very skeptical about the faux pie-pan dials, but that one does appear to be a true pie-pan, with a change of plane surrounding the dodecagonal center. I believe I can even see shadowing around the edge. Could be the photo, of course.
Let me take some better pictures of it. Don't have it with me so will probably be a few days.
 
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The raised dome dial in reference
Is the round center really flat like it looks and the edge raised like this pan?
Pan raised.webp
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Yes, I believe it uses the same configuration as @cristos71 ’s example.
IMG_3118.webp


kfranzk kfranzk
Is the round center really flat like it looks and the edge raised ike this pan?
Pan raised.webp
 
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kfranzk kfranzk
Is the round center really flat like it looks and the edge raised ike this pan?
Pan raised.webp


I would categorise this style as "Induction Pie Pan".
 
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
I may be wrong but, whilst there are a number of members who own this reference, I don’t think this fact has been mentioned until now on OF.

Nothing would surprise me about Omega but I’m genuinely interested in what led you to this conclusion.
Is it referenced somewhere, do you have pictures of the dial showing it being flat?

Edit
I should add - to ensure that we are talking about the same thing.
The central pane should be flat but the 12 sided outer field should be faceted and angled down from the central pane.


Been tied up so sorry for delay in responding. Here are a few pictures that I think show dial is flat (though it does have a step like a vintage speedmaster).

IMG_0951.webp IMG_0943.webp IMG_0938.webp


Also here is a picture of my older dog leg pie pan Constellation to compare against. On this one the angle of the dial is clearer and think demonstrates the difference.

IMG_0947.webp IMG_0949.webp


Also this stuff is clearer in person and tough to capture on camera but I have tried my best. Hope helpful.
 
Peemacgee
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Thanks for posting theses pics.
As I said, I’m fairly sure that this point hasn’t been raised before on OF.
I can see why you might think the outer field is flat.
I’ve never held one of these so, like most, I always thought theses dials were faceted and sloping much like the original pie pan dials.
I think the only guarantee of it not being lightly faceted is to see the back of the dial.
I’d be interested in hearing the opinions of other .0065 owners or watchmakers who’ve had one of theses apart.
@dsio, I think you wrote an article on theses watches - any thoughts?
 
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I am an owner of a Ref. 168.0065. The dial is flat. It was made that way to maintain a profile much thinner than the prior 168.005.

The pie-pan effect is really a result of using different textures and a very slight step as noted above. You can see it in this picture:

1731077713641.webp


This watch is the last pie-pan Constellation, but it is not the last pie-pan Omega watch.

1731077859512.webp 1731078063061.webp


gatorcpa
 
Peemacgee
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gatorcpa gatorcpa
I am an owner of a Ref. 168.0065. The dial is flat. It was made that way to maintain a profile much thinner than the prior 168.005.

The pie-pan effect is really a result of using different textures and a very slight step as noted above. You can see it in this picture:

1731077713641.webp


This watch is the last pie-pan Constellation, but it is not the last pie-pan Omega watch.

1731077859512.webp 1731078063061.webp


gatorcpa
Thanks for the confirmation @gatorcpa

There are a number of these watches in OF members collections - I'm astonished that this hasn't been discussed before?

Thank you also to @Redwes25 for bringing a revelatory piece of info to OF.
 
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
Thanks for the confirmation @gatorcpa

There are a number of these watches in OF members collections - I'm astonished that this hasn't been discussed before?

Thank you also to @Redwes25 for bringing a revelatory piece of info to OF.

I think people just call it pie pan due to look. Pretty sure Desmond’s blog also describes it as flat. I guess I never viewed it as new information but guess people didn’t realize dial was flat with a step and texture to make it look like a true pie pan.
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kfranzk
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What is the dial of this watch?
Omega flat domed or pie pan.webp

The center area is really edged by a dodekagon and not a circle.
I can not see, wether the 12 outer sectors are flat or domed.
Is it pie pan or flat domed?
(Or even an illusion like the one of 168.0065?)
Konrad
 
Peemacgee
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kfranzk kfranzk
What is the dial of this watch?
Omega flat domed or pie pan.webp

The center area is really edged by a dodekagon and not a circle.
I can not see, wether the 12 outer sectors are flat or domed.
Is it pie pan or flat domed?
(Or even an illusion like the one of 168.0065?)
Konrad

You just need to look at the cross hair.
It only goes to the central plane edge = pie pan.
 
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