Caribbean nightmare-caution urged!

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Thank you for your comments. I'm sure you understand, as do others, why I leave you to your own devices and research.

That's the point: when you get off the boat, be careful and use a credit card, regardless of the seller!
 
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Looks like this has been yet another lesson in watch buying abroad - or anything else for that matter.

America is lucky to have consumer protection agencies and fraud protection. This is NOT the norm across the globe. As a matter of fact, in some countries it's considered good business to swindle & blik customers out of their money. Never take ANYTHING for granted. It sucks to go through life being suspicious, but it's a necessity nowadays.
 
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Yup, that's pretty much the take away. In my case, old age, retirement and whisky have made my squash soft!
 
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....As a matter of fact, in some countries it's considered good business to swindle & blik customers out of their money...

It's actually pretty popular here in the U.S. as well馃榾
 
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DAM I am sorry for your experience, but if I may throw in y 2 cents I'll caution perhaps you are getting on your own way to a resolution..even if what you seek is a warning. If you want to warn us about a specific dealer by all means tell us what dealer to avoid, otherwise you are just warning us without really giving us the tools to avoid fraud.

On the other hand, there is no reason why you cannot accept a refund while still continuing the procedure with the FBI and other authorities, specially if, as you say, the FBI was involved prior to the refund offer. You could just accept the refund, at the very worst you are not delaying anything as the authorities would continue their proceedings, at the very best you get your money back and inform the authorities the dealer has resolved the issue. For all we know, or you know, the dealer may be actually honest and willing to make it right, we won't know because you are not allowing him to prove it either way.

Now, you could argue that he misled you regarding the Master Coaxial existence by telling you you where buying the latest model, and while I agree that deception is disappointing and hurtful and takes advantage of your good will it is far from criminal on itself, specially if they are willing to amend it.

I am sorry if I am misunderstanding your warning and content, but something does not seem to be quite right on your end.

Of lesser relevance is the fact that you list three mistakes that are not mistakes at all. You don't WANT to make Celebrity responsible but you do mention them by name and list as a mistake to follow their advice...what's the mistake? you asked and they told you where a good dealer was, they are not the chamber of commerce. Its like me being mad because a hotel concierge recommended a show I didn't like.

Mistake number 2 is also not a mistake, you where deceived (if you did ask if it was the latest movement which is a very specific question) being deceived is not a mistake, it is an offense .

And mistake number 3 is also not a mistake, They offered to exchange the watch for a new one (the second time this offer is offered to a forum member to my recollection with also similar bad results) That is not a mistake, it is a resolution that seems fair and actually to your benefit. If the mistake was to trust them...ok, but I think as you say the dealer trapped himself into a loss since the Master coaxial probably costs him more than the coaxial...but he offered a refund...and 7 to 10 days is perfectly normal for bank and refund proceedings to take place.

Am I missing something?
 
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I am sorry if I am misunderstanding your warning and content, but something does not seem to be quite right on your end.....

Am I missing something?

There are 3 sides to every story - the "victim", the "swindler", and the truth. We're only getting the "victim" side. One thing I've noticed from dealing with the general public for so long is that a complaint usually includes some exaggeration because the complainer assumes the person they're complaining about will lie so the complainer embellishes to pre-counter what they think the complainee will do in response.
 
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Next time buy from the AD onboard the ship, assuming that's not what you did here. The Celebrity cruise we went on last year an Omega and a Breitlong AD onboard.
 
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Next time buy from the AD onboard the ship, assuming that's not what you did here. The Celebrity cruise we went on last year an Omega and a Breitlong AD onboard.

Sounds dangerous.
 
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DAM I am sorry for your experience, but if I may throw in y 2 cents I'll caution perhaps you are getting on your own way to a resolution..even if what you seek is a warning. If you want to warn us about a specific dealer by all means tell us what dealer to avoid, otherwise you are just warning us without really giving us the tools to avoid fraud.

On the other hand, there is no reason why you cannot accept a refund while still continuing the procedure with the FBI and other authorities, specially if, as you say, the FBI was involved prior to the refund offer. You could just accept the refund, at the very worst you are not delaying anything as the authorities would continue their proceedings, at the very best you get your money back and inform the authorities the dealer has resolved the issue. For all we know, or you know, the dealer may be actually honest and willing to make it right, we won't know because you are not allowing him to prove it either way.

Now, you could argue that he misled you regarding the Master Coaxial existence by telling you you where buying the latest model, and while I agree that deception is disappointing and hurtful and takes advantage of your good will it is far from criminal on itself, specially if they are willing to amend it.

I am sorry if I am misunderstanding your warning and content, but something does not seem to be quite right on your end.

Of lesser relevance is the fact that you list three mistakes that are not mistakes at all. You don't WANT to make Celebrity responsible but you do mention them by name and list as a mistake to follow their advice...what's the mistake? you asked and they told you where a good dealer was, they are not the chamber of commerce. Its like me being mad because a hotel concierge recommended a show I didn't like.

Mistake number 2 is also not a mistake, you where deceived (if you did ask if it was the latest movement which is a very specific question) being deceived is not a mistake, it is an offense .

And mistake number 3 is also not a mistake, They offered to exchange the watch for a new one (the second time this offer is offered to a forum member to my recollection with also similar bad results) That is not a mistake, it is a resolution that seems fair and actually to your benefit. If the mistake was to trust them...ok, but I think as you say the dealer trapped himself into a loss since the Master coaxial probably costs him more than the coaxial...but he offered a refund...and 7 to 10 days is perfectly normal for bank and refund proceedings to take place.

Am I missing something?


Ah, thank you for your comments! You remind me of an old and long gone friend, a master of opprobrium and tactical semantic ambiguity. He was a true genius, and often sent letters ending with something like please accept my least sincere, most ambiguous.... Or "stronger letter to follow."

I'll reject your implied invitation to exceed my qualified privilege, but smile as I do so.

May I infer you are the New York lawyer whose identity I sought but which was denied me?馃槈

As for Celebrity, I love them. Understand, they warranted something that I contend isn't so, and if I must, I'll pursue that remedy, which is one of strict liability, not based on fault!
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Next time buy from the AD onboard the ship, assuming that's not what you did here. The Celebrity cruise we went on last year an Omega and a Breitlong AD onboard.
Didn't realise you were that old Warren 馃槣
 
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There are 3 sides to every story - the "victim", the "swindler", and the truth. We're only getting the "victim" side. One thing I've noticed from dealing with the general public for so long is that a complaint usually includes some exaggeration because the complainer assumes the person they're complaining about will lie so the complainer embellishes to pre-counter what they think the complainee will do in response.
Thanks for your comments. Indeed, I presented only a pr茅cis, but made a conscious effort to present fairly only objective facts, leaving it to the reader to infer whatever they wish.

I assure you that voluminous e mail communications exist which corroborate my positions, and you should note my careful use of the word suspicion.

I'd feel very comfortable putting this to a jury on issues of weight and credibility.
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There's a $500 difference between the master co-axial and "older" co-axial Aqua Terra.. I think that's a fair trade to me.
 
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What do you get when you combine a joke with a rhetorical question (or question mark in this case)?
 
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There's a $500 difference between the master co-axial and "older" co-axial Aqua Terra.. I think that's a fair trade to me.
Indeed, if delivered!
 
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Which one did you get? Or getting? I hope it's the one with the blue dial.. It's nice!
 
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What do you get when you combine a joke with a rhetorical question (or question mark in this case)?
A stronger letter to follow.... 馃槈
 
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Which one did you get? Or getting? I hope it's the one with the blue dial.. It's nice!
I haven't, that's the issue.
 
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What do you get when you combine a joke with a rhetorical question (or question mark in this case)?
A New York lawyer, skilled at false, commercial disparagement claims?
 
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Ah, thank you for your comments! You remind me of an old and long gone friend, a master of opprobrium and tactical semantic ambiguity. He was a true genius, and often sent letters ending with something like please accept my least sincere, most ambiguous.... Or "stronger letter to follow."

I'll reject your implied invitation to exceed my qualified privilege, but smile as I do so.

May I infer you are the New York lawyer whose identity I sought but which was denied me?馃槈

As for Celebrity, I love them. Understand, they warranted something that I contend isn't so, and if I must, I'll pursue that remedy, which is one of strict liability, not based on fault!

Not sure I was being ambiguos, I think pretty straight froward actually. Not a lawyer either and I am sorry if I offended you by suggesting you accept the refund while you pursue other actions to cover your bases.