Another Ebay Authenticator Nightmare!

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Hi everybody,
I have been a member here for 5 years but do not post often. But I have to tell you all a story.
I purchased an Omega NTTD watch from a seller who has good feedback. I know, hindsight 20/20. But I did save 1K. Anyhow, 4/28/23 purchased. Received from authenticator 5/4/23. The joy I had in opening the packaging and leather pouch and viewing to beautiful watch came to a screeching halt. When I peeled off the back sticker to reveal some deep scratches on the back case. Wow! I Immediately reached out to the seller, who informed me that the sticker was left intact and not removed from the back when they sent it to me. Of course I sent a complaint to ebay, who then denied my request for a refund. Well I had 1 opportunity left. I took it to my local AD who said he could ship it to the service center for them to buff the back scratches out so we did. $80 shipping. I then sent Omega a message from the Website explaining everything that took place. They emailed back a month later and said it would be $769 to replace the back. I then pleaded my case to them once more, they came back and said as a 1 time courtesy they would replace at no charge. Instant Thankfulness. I just received the watch back in a nice red case. That was great of Omega to do that for me. Is why I will continue to purchase their watches. Anyhow, I believe the authenticator scratched my watch on purpose. I thought I would share my experience here with all of you, and yes I made a great relationship with my local AD who is the GM of the Boutique who told me stories of how Omega flew 17 GM's out to Switzerland for a week, long story but I made a great relationship there. And will be buying all my Omega watches from them now.
Anyhow pic are below. Along with my small watch collection.
 
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Anyhow, I believe the authenticator scratched my watch on purpose.
As much as I dislike the eBay authentication service (for other reasons), I highly doubt the above is true.

The seller could have done this by accident if they opened the watch in the sales process to show the movement, or the authenticator could have had an accident with a case opener.

The real issue here is the fact that eBay will back the authentication firm regardless of what happens with any watch in their possession and that the buyer is no longer trusted. This reverses a long-standing presumption of “the customer is always right”, that drove many honest sellers away from eBay in recent years.

I’m very happy to hear that Omega took care of your issue, even though they were under no obligation to do so.

Wear the watch in good health.
gatorcpa
 
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I’m usually hesitant to ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence. Seems more likely to me that the authenticator is a dope than a villain.
 
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Yeah, I don’t think the Authenticator did this on purpose. What I do think is he did not have the proper tool to open the back, so he used a three-prong case opener and it kept slipping. Not appropriate and EBay should have fixed this for you. Glad Omega stepped up.
 
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I’m usually hesitant to ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence. Seems more likely to me that the authenticator is a dope than a villain.

Hanlon's Razor and one of Heinlein's favorite quotes. I'm with you.

To the OP: For what reasons do you assume intent i.e. you have direct evidence?
 
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Hanlon's Razor and one of Heinlein's favorite quotes. I'm with you.

To the OP: For what reasons do you assume intent i.e. you have direct evidence?

It was process of elimination, if I believe the seller, and If I believe Omega didn't ship it from their factory that way. It would have had to be the authenticator. Only 3 culprits. I chose the authenticator because of all the horror stories I have read.
But, I could be wrong, it could have been 1 of the other 2......
 
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It was process of elimination, if I believe the seller, and If I believe Omega didn't ship it from their factory that way. It would have had to be the authenticator. Only 3 culprits. I chose the authenticator because of all the horror stories I have read.
But, I could be wrong, it could have been 1 of the other 2......

That's who did it, not why. What most members are suggesting is that it was accidental (due to incompetence) rather than deliberate malice.
 
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That's who did it, not why. What most members are suggesting is that it was accidental (due to incompetence) rather than deliberate malice.

OK, please forgive my blaming it on deliberate malice. I guess my faith in humanity has taken a downturn in recent years. But regardless Malice or Accident, this has happened. Incompetence, perhaps.
 
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I chose the authenticator because of all the horror stories I have read.

The fact is, the vast majority of watches that go through the process of authentication, come through it without incident. It's unfortunate that this continued drum beat from collectors causes people to blame them for things that may have not been their fault, and makes people think the process is certain to damage your watch, when nothing is further from the truth...

The real issue here is the fact that eBay will back the authentication firm regardless of what happens with any watch in their possession and that the buyer is no longer trusted. This reverses a long-standing presumption of “the customer is always right”, that drove many honest sellers away from eBay in recent years.

Not always. See this...

 
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It’s not the damage that is the real issue. It’s not being able to return it. I now see that eBay is using Escrow.com, like I have been promoting for years.
 
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I get what you guys are saying. Think about this, I purchased the watch Brand New. The Authenticator is supposed to inspect the watch and authenticate it, and also make sure that it meets the item description the way it was sold to me. Brand new. This is what was told to me by the seller and by eBay. So given these facts, and it Did come to me scratched up, 1 of 2 things in my opinion happened. 1 they did not remove the sticker from the back, therefore not truly authenticating it, or 2, they indeed scratched the watch during authentication, placed the sticker back and sent it to me damaged.
You guys have made some great points, I am curious to hear your comments.
 
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Think about this, I purchased the watch Brand New.

I guess it depends on what your definition of brand new means. To the best of my knowledge, Omega doesn't sell watches on eBay...
 
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I guess it depends on what your definition of brand new means. To the best of my knowledge, Omega doesn't sell watches on eBay...

I bought it New with tags as the description states.
 
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It took a bit of chutzpah for the OP to browbeat Omega into replacing the back for free, they weren't involved in this issue. He went grey to save $1k, got messed up by eBay and then pleaded with Omega to bail him out at no charge. Omega stepped up for sure, but the offender, eBay, skates away with no consequences. I haven't bought a watch on eBay for many years, but with this new authenticator program I would stay clear of any newish model. There are many grey marketers out there who don't have this silly program. It just seems to be an odd expectation to think Omega should have fixed this for free.
 
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I bought it New with tags as the description states.

I understand that is the description the seller gave you...
 
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It took a bit of chutzpah for the OP to browbeat Omega into replacing the back for free, they weren't involved in this issue. He went grey to save $1k, got messed up by eBay and then pleaded with Omega to bail him out at no charge. Omega stepped up for sure, but the offender, eBay, skates away with no consequences. I haven't bought a watch on eBay for many years, but with this new authenticator program I would stay clear of any newish model. There are many grey marketers out there who don't have this silly program. It just seems to be an odd expectation to think Omega should have fixed this for free.

Where did you get Brow Beat from? And where did you get I expected Omega to replace the back from?

I simply compiled all my evidence photos and all and sent it to them with the explanation of what happened. Once they verified the AD, and all the documentation with the Warranty Card they came back and said they would replace it. I did appeal after the 1st denial, but I wouldn't call it Brow Beating. And I would have gladly paid the $700ish to them to replace it. But I am glad they did replace it. And I learned several lessons in the meantime.
 
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It’s not about Omega. It’s about eBay and their authentication service. I agree with the OP that the authenticator should have removed the sticker as part of their inspection to confirm the claim of “new” condition by the seller, and if they are the ones who scratched it, fess up. Similarly, if they failed to remove the sticker, they should also admit as much and allow a return.
 
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Just by the scratches, how does someone fυck up that bad with the type of case back this is….

Second point.
EBay ……New with tags 🤔
(I could say that about a Seiko that’s for sale doesn’t mean it’s true)


How do we know the Authentication mob aren’t third partying due to a heap of work…😗