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Beware: Problem Longines watches

  1. Pierre1333 Nov 27, 2021

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    I was going to buy this but it's not right somehow. You pay peanuts and you get monkeys
     
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  2. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Nov 27, 2021

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    Yes, not an original dial.
     
  3. LesXL Nov 27, 2021

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    First time on wrist as it was with my watchmaker for a month immediately after I bought it. I'm so happy that I took her out for a glass of wine :)
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    Changed the strap too as I find the one I had firstly put on was not totally the right combo PXL_20211127_163940624.jpg
     
  4. JwRosenthal Nov 27, 2021

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    Love the font!
     
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  5. LesXL Nov 28, 2021

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    thanks... but I posted in the wrong thread lol I guess the wine was good :)
     
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  6. Pierre1333 Nov 28, 2021

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    Weird one
     
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  7. Pierre1333 Nov 28, 2021

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    Can't be genuine, surely. Estimated at 7,5 k euros
     
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  8. Syrte MWR Tech Support Dept Nov 28, 2021

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    Hi Pierre,
    May I ask what makes you say that and do you have more pictures of the listing?
    You may be right and I don’t know much about these, but from that single picture I find it hard to say with certainty. It looks exactly like a recent reedition, more pictures would be needed together with info on the seller.
    In general I find it best to be cautious and quite certain before casting doubt publicly on a watch.
    People making off hand comments on forums can be very damaging for sellers,
    Best regards
     
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  9. Pierre1333 Nov 28, 2021

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    Sorry if I'm wrong but it's seems just too clean to me
     
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  10. Syrte MWR Tech Support Dept Nov 28, 2021

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    So the listing says “Black and silver dial with Arabic numerals signed with "Longines" is in perfect condition ( was professionally restored )

    Personally I don’t find a problem with someone selling a restored watch, so long as they disclose the restoration as they did here.

    Also, I would respectfully object as several of us have discussed in the past, about the notion that “just too clean” means a watch is a redial.
    There are many perfect and “just too clean” original watches from the 1940s in existence in private collections.

    In this particular case and based on the crisp pictures on the listing itself, the signs of restoration I find significant are:
    1/ the font on the “Longines” dial signature is off;
    2/ the condition of the dial is inconsistent with the amount of damage (scratches and pitting) on the case and the movement.
    There are more subdued signs which IMHO would not be conclusive in and of themself.
    I find the redial job quite nice actually.
     
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  11. Pierre1333 Nov 28, 2021

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    My bad. It's indeed a nice watch but 7,5 k for a redial, isn't that steep? Or are originals worth that much more. I apologize to the seller. I will be more careful in the future with my criticism. Thanks for pointing this out to me, have a nice sunday
     
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  12. Syrte MWR Tech Support Dept Nov 28, 2021

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    The estimate may be steep, others will know better who follow them closely. But indeed originals may be worth considerably more if they’re a good size like this one and depending again on their dial and condition.

    Looking at the watch more closely, one question might be the condition of the case back as the pictures don’t show very clearly the depth of the scratches on the case back (visible when you zoom in).
     
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  13. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Nov 28, 2021

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    @Pierre1333 The Ryrie-Birks cal. 9.47N looks okay. 7.5K EUR is definitely too much for the 13ZN. The dial has a number of issues and looks to be emulating one of Longines' Heritage models.
     
  14. Pierre1333 Nov 28, 2021

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    I made a mistake criticizing this watch too much. I'm sure someone will love it. ( Hopefully. Thanks for your response
     
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