Basic watchmaking tips - cleaning

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I wanted to pass on some things that I thought may help the people on here that are trying their hand at some watchmaking. I hope to post a few threads on specific topics as time permits, and what I’d like to do is keep each thread as much on one topic as possible so the information doesn’t jump around too much. My hope is that these threads can act as a reference for those who have questions in the future also. My goal here is to pass on tips and techniques that I have found useful in my time at the bench.

A lot of watchmaking is “the devil is in the details” and although topics and technical issues can get quite esoteric at times, it’s the basics that largely determine if your work is successful day in and day out. That’s why I’m starting with the most basic thing there is – cleaning and cleanliness in general. My instructor used to repeat certain things over and over, and he did so for a reason – they are important to your success. Two of those things I keep in mind every day I sit down at my bench:

1 - "The watch you are working on is only as clean as your bench is." It appears so basic and obvious it almost seems not worth saying, but the number of photos I see of benches that are completely filthy with watches being worked on them would tell me that some don’t really take this to heart. So before you start your day, take a clean and lint free rag, splash some 99% alcohol on it, and wipe down your bench – don’t forget your task light, because if it’s dusty every time you reach up to adjust it, dust will fall down onto the work area.

I (try) to clear off my bench of tools and clutter every night before I finish for the day, so the next morning the bench is uncluttered and all I have to do is wipe it down and I’m ready to start work for the day. I do admit that on occasion I have worked late enough that I leave it, but that’s is the exception. It is amazing how quickly the bench can become cluttered, so keeping on top of it is a good idea.

2 - "The watch will never be cleaner than it is when it comes out of the cleaning machine." So when it comes out of the cleaner it’s your job not to contaminate it as you work. This is why I wear finger cots – I see so many photos of watchmakers handling part with bare fingers and it makes me cringe every time. Now finger cots are not 100% necessary and in fact my instructor did not wear them, but he never touched any watch part with his bare fingers – he was able to manipulate everything with tweezers.

I see videos where people take a huge wad of Rodico they have sitting on their bench and they touch it to the movement over and over – all this does is make the watch movement dirty again. As I’ve said before Rodico and similar products are not allowed by many brands, as they do tend to spread contaminants around the movement. I don’t use One-Dip at my bench, because not only is it unhealthy, but unless you change the solution after every part you dip in it, over time it becomes contaminated. For me, if I get a part dirty at the bench somehow, it goes back into the cleaning machine.

So with those two key thoughts out of the way, and since I just mentioned cleaning machines, I’ve received questions via PM from several members in the past regarding how to clean without a fancy machine, and what kind of cleaning solutions to use. You will find many home made solution recipes out there, but one thing to keep in mind is the purity level of the base components. Often the cleanliness standards for bulk stocks of chemicals are not the same as solutions made specifically for cleaning watches, so even if you use all the same chemicals in the same ratios, the end result may not be as good. I personally use L&R brand cleaning solutions, and I have tried other brands also, such a Zenith, but I always comes back to the L&R as I find them to be the most effective.

So no matter if you have an automated machine or not, typically you use a number of containers for cleaning. So for example if you have just a bath style ultrasonic tank (like what I use for cleaning cases and bracelets) you would use that for cleaning watches by filling the tank with water, and using jars of cleaning solution that would sit in the water, rather than filling the tank itself with cleaning solutions. As a minimum, 3 jars are needed, and these are the three jars from my automated machine:



These are due for a change, so the jar on the far right is the actual cleaning solution – L&R Extra Fine cleaning solution. It is solvent based and includes ammonia for the cleaning action – the smell is strong so as always proper ventilation is required when using these chemicals. The other 2 jars are rise solutions, and both contain L&R rinse - a clear, colourless solution when new. When you change cleaning solutions, you change 2 of the three jars typically, so the cleaning solution in jar 1 is changed with new solution, then jar 3 moves to jar 2 as the first rinse (solution is not changed), and then the rinse in jar 2 is changed to new solution and becomes the final rinse in jar 3 – here they are after the change:



The new cleaning solution and new final rinse ensure that the movement parts come out clean. My machine has an automated spin off of excess solutions between jars, and at the end a heating element is used while spinning the baskets to dry the parts thoroughly. If you are using a tank machine then you should try your best to accomplish the same things, so removing as much excess fluids from your parts between jars will prolong the life of your cleaning solutions (less contamination carried from jar to jar), and drying with warm moving air will help ensure that parts are dried properly.

Now with regards to how long to run whatever machine you have, that really depends on the strength of the ultrasonics you have, so this may require some experimentation on your part to find the timing that gets you the cleanest parts without risking damage. Typically modern automatic machines use cycles of around 3 minutes for each jar, although I can increase the time for the first jar to as much as 15 minutes on my machine.

Another thing to consider is creating a log for the cleaning machine – I keep mine right beside the machine. It has the date of the last solution changes, and when I run a movement through the machine I mark an X on the chart, and this helps me keep track of how many movements I’ve cleaned since the last change. If I clean a particularly dirty watch, I may mark down 2 X’s just to reflect that the level of contamination was particularly large. In order to save on solution changes, I will sometimes leave a really dirty movement until just before the change, and clean it then, change the solutions, and give a second run through the machine. I don’t have hard and fast rules here, so again it takes some experience to know how many movements you can clean before the solutions need changing. Of course the final arbiter of this is the movements themselves – if they are not coming out clean, then looking at your solutions is the first step. Please note that you should follow all your local rules pertaining to disposal of these solutions.

Last items for this post are some steps taken before the cleaning machine. Watchmakers use some rather simple and very traditional tools in their work, and two of those are peg wood and pith wood. Peg wood is basically a small diameter stick of fairly soft wood that is used for cleaning jewels. It is typically purchased in bundles from a watch material supply house, and although it seems pretty obvious, I’ve seen people use it in a way that doesn’t make it as effective as it could be. The first thing is the material selected – I sometimes read that people use those round and rather hard toothpicks, and those are actually a bit too hard to be used as peg wood is intended to be for jewels. It’s not that it would damage the jewel, but I’ll show you what I mean shortly. The other thing about peg wood is how it’s sharpened, and I’ve seen references to people using a pencil sharpener for these. Here is how I sharpen my peg wood:



Clearly done with a knife, and I have an Exacto knife at the bench for this. The style of sharpening is intentional, as I don’t really want a round profile, but more of a triangular cross section. Three quick pulls with the knife and the peg wood is ready to use. The shape helps to scrape debris for the inside diameter of the jewel hole, so that’s why that cross section is typical. In terms of the hardness, this is what the peg wood looks like after cleaning a jewel:



You can see that the wood has been extruded through the jewel hole, and this ensures that every part of the hole has been scraped. A piece of wood that is too hard will not work as well for this. Now I have pegged both before and after cleaning, and have finally settled on doing my pegging of the jewels before putting the parts in the cleaning machine. There are times when I have to peg after cleaning in situations where the jewels are really caked with dirt. Note that you should use some care when pressing on jewels, as it is possible to press them out sometimes when pressing too hard.

Pith wood is typically made of elder pith, and is a soft wood that is used for cleaning things. I will often push the pivots of wheels into pith wood to clean them before putting them through the cleaning machine, and I regularly use pith wood for holding the pallet fork while applying epilame treatment to the stones:



Good pith wood seems to be difficult to find these days, but ideally it should not crumble on you or leave a lot of residue/dust behind on the parts. The same with peg wood – the better material does not flake and crumble as easily as the cheaper stuff does.

The last tip for this post is to demagnetize before cleaning the movement parts:



The reason you do this is pretty simple – even if the watch is not magnetized to the point where it causes running problems from the coils of the balance spring sticking together, the parts can still attract ferrous debris if you don’t demagnetize – this escape wheel is fresh out of the cleaning machine after I forgot to demag it, and you can see why I demagnetized and cleaned it all again:



Hope you find some of this helpful, and again these don’t seem earth shattering, but are the foundation for good work and good results.

I’ll address some post-cleaning items in the next installment to this thread.

Cheers, Al
Quadrophenic-schizophrenia
 
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this was excellent and really helpful. I am working now on setting up my shop so will be able to make some changes. Do you have a recommendation regarding L&R or Zenith solutions? I have a Mark V ultrasonic I will use. Thanks again.
 
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this was excellent and really helpful. I am working now on setting up my shop so will be able to make some changes. Do you have a recommendation regarding L&R or Zenith solutions? I have a Mark V ultrasonic I will use. Thanks again.

I personally use L&R. I've tried the Zenith solutions and while they smell much nicer than the L&R do, I don't think they clean quite as well, and I've found that the rinse didn't dry properly so parts came out of the drying cycle wet. I don't have this problem with the L&R.

Cheers, Al
 
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Hi Al,
I really appreciate you posting your cleaning tips. I'm a watchmaking student (graduating this year) and mechanical engineer and I'm always looking for good ideas and different watchmaker's perspectives on subjects like cleaning. You've had good results cleaning dials and hands with the tacky swabs? I see they're available in a range of adhesion, but any suggestions you have on which level of adhesion works best would be great. And they're really reusable with the blue cleaning pad? The maker says the pad is "water washable", but I've also read that it can be cleaned with isopropyl alcohol.

I've heard Solvent H can be used for cleaning dials and hands, and my very limited experience with it was positive, though.

Have you used any of the various polyurethane foam, polyester foam or similar swabs made by a popular supplier of such items?

I'm also always trying new ways of quickly and cleanly spreading lubricants on barrel floors, barrel covers and similar larger surfaces. I've had good results with a modified polypropylene stick that was originally the stick for one of the popular swabs. I made a small spatula that spreads the lube well after several drops of lube are applied to the surface.

For case and bracelet polishing cleanup, we've been using toothpicks to remove bits of compound before ultrasound cleaning with compound remover, but I think pegwood would work well too, as long as I'm careful not to break any off in the bracelet link gaps.

Thanks,

Seasow
 
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You've had good results cleaning dials and hands with the tacky swabs? I see they're available in a range of adhesion, but any suggestions you have on which level of adhesion works best would be great. And they're really reusable with the blue cleaning pad? The maker says the pad is "water washable", but I've also read that it can be cleaned with isopropyl alcohol.

Yes, unlike Rodico or similar products, the swabs do not leave residue behind. I sue the Bergeon 7007-22 - no mention made of the level of tackiness when I ordered them. The blue pad cleans them well, and I clean the pad just with water, and then use a blow dryer to dry it quickly.

I've heard Solvent H can be used for cleaning dials and hands, and my very limited experience with it was positive, though.

I don't use solvent H and I probably never will. IMO any dial cleaning done should be done in a very careful and minimally invasive way, and dipping a dial in solvent is something I would never do unless I was prepared to destroy the dial. Not long ago I received an email from a client of mine who had used another watchmaker to service a vintage Certina. The dial on the watch was in great shape when he sent it in, but it came back looking like this:



Lots of text and logos missing, and the watchmaker (Swatch and CW21 certified by the way) had done his "routine" of dipping the dial in solvent H to "remove dust" and in taking that short cut, he ruined the dial. He didn't even tell the customer what had happened so he found out when he opened the parcel when the watch had been shipped back - needless to say he was pissed and rightly so. The watchmaker refused to take responsibility for it initially, but eventually refunded the service costs - the client is still left with a damaged watch though. All I can say is, proceed with caution as not all dials will react the same to different methods of cleaning (mechanical and solvents).

Have you used any of the various polyurethane foam, polyester foam or similar swabs made by a popular supplier of such items?

Yes, but I don't use them regularly.

In terms of barrel lubrication, my process is shown in detail here:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/basic-watchmaking-tips-oiling-part-2-the-mainspring-barrel.71246/

Cheers, Al
 
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Great read! Thanks for the quality level of effort put in to typing this up
 
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Thank you for this amazing thread Al, and I have a question: You mention dial cleaning. I had never thought that this was possible and that once a dial looked in any way dirty, what was dirty was always in the dial, and not on it. But recently I have come across references to people using some sort of blue tach to clean (something off) dials. Is this some process you have ever found successful?

I have got a couple of dials which look a bit unusual in that the 'dirt' does look uneven enough that it might clean off slightly.

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On the Universal, something is creeping along the dial from lower right to the almost unmarked top left. The Tudor seems to scream out for rubbing in soapy water, prior to discovering that soapy water doesn't actually do much, while the Omega (are those curious flat hands upside down?) looks like the metal in the appliqué numbers are attacking the flat surface!

Could you please show what sort of dirty looking dial may respond to cleaning please? And recommend anything for cleaning dials or, - more likely, - minimising the ugly look of the dial please? Obviously without losing anything on the dial, as you showed on that Certina!
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The dial cleaning I am referring to is removing loose dirt from the dial. The substance you are referring top is likely called A*F Rub-off and it's a form putty similar to Rodico. I do not use this on dials or movements, as these substances leave a residue behind even when they are clean.

As noted the method I use are the cleaning swabs shown in this thread.

The type of cleaning you are referring to is cleaning off damaged lacquer. etc, which is a whole different things, and comes with great risks to the dial printing.
 
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Yes, that is what I figured, the substance I referred to is only really useful for Braille watches. Otherwise, what either is or looks dirty will almost never respond to cleaning, despite the manufacturer occasionally referring to it removing something they call "staining" on dials. It is actually designed for something else, namely cleaning things like fingerprints from metal parts and sometimes picking up things like broken pivots. and to prove this, there are no photos anywhere on the Internet of before and after showing anything like cleaning off staining!

And whatever is on that Universal dial, I suppose if it made its way through the crystal, it is unlikely to clean off?
 
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I don't know which type of staining you are referring to here, your Tudor and Omega look water damaged and I don’t think there’s anything that can be done there, but here are examples of the lacquer cleaning that Al was referring to: http://watchguy.co.uk/cleaning-and-preserving-original-finish-on-dials/

And a good illustration of why that process is quite dangerous, as text can go missing very easily. Like the Certina above, using solvents can give very different results, because the products used on the dials varied over time between manufacturers and also over time with a single brand, so you never know if the lacquer will come off and leave the test behind, or if the entire dial gets stripped.

For me, I would leave the dial as is unless you are prepared to destroy the original printing and end up with a blank dial or are okay with getting the watch redialed.
 
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Yes, you are right, there is another category of watch dials that can be cleaned carefully: Dials that have a layer of varnish ON the dial which has itself gone dirty. But which may respond to stripping off and re-lacquering/varnishing. But as the lettering may always have been a bit iffy, this method may well strip lettering off.

Question for the terminally neurotic who enjoy criticizing any dial that has ever been in any way restored: How would such critics (I hesitate to use the word collectors) regard an original dial that has been stripped and the lettering alone reapplied?
 
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I can see why people like this guy. I can’t thank archer enough for spending the time writing this all down and sharing what I’m sure is a tiny bit of his knowledge!
 
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Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

I have some questions:
If i clean the movement in something like lighter fluid or waschbenzin, can i put the balance and the pallet fork in it without damaging them? How do i rinse the balance and pallet fork without damaging the shellac? Or do i not need to rinse them?

Does anybody have tips on where to buy and which cleaning and rinsing solutions to buy as a hobbyist in switzerland?

Thank you very much!
 
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Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

I have some questions:
If i clean the movement in something like lighter fluid or waschbenzin, can i put the balance and the pallet fork in it without damaging them? How do i rinse the balance and pallet fork without damaging the shellac? Or do i not need to rinse them?

Does anybody have tips on where to buy and which cleaning and rinsing solutions to buy as a hobbyist in switzerland?

Thank you very much!

Watch cleaning solvents generally do not harm shellac - I'm not familiar with waschbenzin, but lighter fluid is mineral spirits, and that won't harm shellac. The thing to avoid there is alcohol - it won't fully dissolve the shellac, but can soften it.

The balance is typically mounted on the main plate during cleaning, and the pallet fork goes into a small basket when you clean it - they both get cleaned in the same solutions used for the rest of the movement.
 
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Watch cleaning solvents generally do not harm shellac - I'm not familiar with waschbenzin, but lighter fluid is mineral spirits, and that won't harm shellac. The thing to avoid there is alcohol - it won't fully dissolve the shellac, but can soften it.

The balance is typically mounted on the main plate during cleaning, and the pallet fork goes into a small basket when you clean it - they both get cleaned in the same solutions used for the rest of the movement.
Thank you very much!
If i use lighter fluid or something similar i could rinse the parts in isopropylalcohol (except for the shellac containing parts). So what happens if i do not rinse the shellac containing parts after cleaning them in lighter fluid?
 
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Thank you very much!
If i use lighter fluid or something similar i could rinse the parts in isopropylalcohol (except for the shellac containing parts). So what happens if i do not rinse the shellac containing parts after cleaning them in lighter fluid?

The lighter fluid would be considered a rinse, so if you just dry the parts after putting them through the fluid you should be fine - warm moving air is recommended.
 
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I just opened this 1970 watch today and found this tarry mess. I've tried using alcohol to get this goop off my hands but it didn't do much. Nor does soap. What would you do here?001.jpg
 
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I typically use 99% alcohol, but acetone works as well.