Are Omega getting too expensive

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To a certain extent, every brand wants to increase prices if only to make their products seem artificially higher quality. It's called the Veblen Rule. Personally, I don't seen any Omegas that interest me other than the Moonwatch - and you can find a great vintage one of those for less than MSRP. If you want to spend more, I think there are other brands, like Rolex for example, that offer better products.
How's Rolex offering a better product? I am genuinely curious. What other brands are better value in Rolex price bracket?
 
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I just sold my Rolex Submariner for a small profit because I grew tired of thinking of my watch as an investment rather than something I wore that was attractive, beautifully made, felt good on my wrist, and kept remarkable time. Considering those factors my Seamaster 300m is a bargain.

Forgive me, but your point is to me unclear. Are you saying your sub was NOT attractive and beautifully made, and did NOT feel good ok your wrist/keep remarkable time?

Or are you instead merely saying that, because the average modern SS Rolex can appreciate while the average modern SS Omega depreciates, you feel more emotionally comfortable wearing the depreciating Omega?
 
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I was looking at the latest omega catalogue as thinking about my next purchase. I really liked the look of the dark side of moon and was quite shocked when I saw the price of nearly £10,000 for the one I liked. The moonwatch with all its history is only £5,000. Some of omegas watches are getting very expensive. I know they are completely different watches but I could buy a 2020 rolex explorer ii for £8000 and that would never go down in value. I think that some of omegas watches are very food value for money like moonwatch and seamaster smp but others are just becoming to expensive. Nearly £50,000 for a platinum moonphase chronograph on leather strap seems crazy money to me. Your into Patek philippe, vacheron Constantin and A lange & sohne. Is it just me or does anyone feel the same
The right price is what a fool is willing to pay...
And this is coming from someone who bought a DSOTM at retail (- AD discount).
If you really like it, try to go second hand. The fact that they are full ceramic and thus scratchresistant makes even the second hand ones look new.
However, if you’re looking for an investment watch, the DSOTM is definitely not the one to buy.
 
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Forgive me, but your point is to me unclear. Are you saying your sub was NOT attractive and beautifully made, and did NOT feel good ok your wrist/keep remarkable time?

Or are you instead merely saying that, because the average modern SS Rolex can appreciate while the average modern SS Omega depreciates, you feel more emotionally comfortable wearing the depreciating Omega?
Maybe he Mac-427 did not feel entirely comfortable wearing the Submariner, as it would lose value when damaged?
Personally I can see how one could wear a watch 'more carefree', knowing that it depreciates anyway. If you consider a watch an investment, there may be too many thoughts hindering you to really enjoy it (should I wear it on this occasion, should I take it on vacation overseas, will it get damaged, .... ).
 
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I agree it’s relative. At my wage and stage in life (ie 2 little’uns) there’s definitely a ceiling to what I’m currently comfortable to have hanging off my wrist. You have to abide by the limits you set. I consider myself fortunate to be able to afford a luxury watch.

Omega are just now moving most of their watches out of my comfort zone so yes - with a little sadness but no bitterness - I’m not going to be buying for a while.

Example is the Moonwatch. At £3.5k which is what they were in the March 2020 sale I can get on board (and should’ve probably). I find it hard to get my head around now paying £4.2k for the same watch (especially when my FOIS was £3k when I bought it in 2019) and when the 3861 releases at £5k+ that elevates it above the limit I’ve set.

I shall remain content with my FOIS and 2000’s seamaster. And honestly, that’s a good place to be
 
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Forgive me, but your point is to me unclear. Are you saying your sub was NOT attractive and beautifully made, and did NOT feel good ok your wrist/keep remarkable tim
Or are you instead merely saying that, because the average modern SS Rolex can appreciate while the average modern SS Omega depreciates, you feel more emotionally comfortable wearing the depreciating Omega?

My Submariner was an outstanding watch but not a particularly good value in comparison to my Seamaster. Of course a flipper might feel differently.
 
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With Bvlgari, Panerai, Grand Seiko, IWC all increasing their prices across the board one would chalk this up to the market trend in general.

Omega is finding itself in a difficult position to either re establish itself is a discount lower tier brand or push itself upwards to compete with the rest why not?

So far every indication suggests it has worked for them,

1) NTD seamaster pro a smash hit sales success
2) Snoopy III speedmaster sold out even before availability
3) speedmaster 321 have become unicorns
4) apollo 11 50th sold out

So they will keep pushing upwards till they meet an equilibrium.
 
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Hi. I put a post on Rolex forum earlier in the year as I stupidly thought that I could go in and buy a new oyster perpetual as no one would want them as everyone would be after subs and GMT’s. How wrong I was and the dealerships I approached wanted me to have an interview to see if I could go and n a waiting list. It was insane. They could not even show me any models as they had not received them yet. The demand for any new men’s Rolex is crazy. When it comes to marketing Rolex are the best of the best at it.
What part of the world are you?

Ive been walking on a street yesterday and saw those through the window.

Just entered the shop as i wanted to ask a question about a bracelet link for my Explorer and there was a Milgaus and two tone Seadweller inside, all ready to go..
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I do think Omega are heading for "think long, hard and carefully" pricing territory, here in Canada at least.

When I bought my first modern Omega, in 2018, I paid under CAD 5k for a new SMP Diver on steel, from an AD. It was a lot of money, and it caused me some pangs, but even at that price it seemed a decent, even good, value. Now that same watch is CAD 7k, and AD discounts on it are a lot harder to find. Still a great piece, but if I were looking for a sturdy, well-made diver with history and strong value, there are more places I'd look first.

Similar story with the Speedies, of all kinds, which have gone up substantially over that timeframe, and will rise even more with the 3861-based models coming down the line. The Speedy Racings and ceramics are all well north of 10k here now, with the LEs closer to 15k, and the 321 at over 20k after taxes. If you're after a Railmaster, or an older model, you can still spend a bit less and walk away with an excellent watch, or buy a Longines, Oris, Sinn, IWC or Tudor. Still great watches, but there's a lot more competition at those prices, and perhaps less incentive to "collect" the brand and be An Omega Person rather than own that one iconic piece.

I'm reminded of some years ago, when many well-known high-end audio companies pushed upmarket in an effort to wrest more pennies out of an ever-shrinking pool of buyers. It worked, for a while, and the buyers aged out or looked to other cheaper, more interesting gear. And now only a handful of those companies are left.

Won't happen to Omega, of course. But who knows how much longer people will be willing to drop thousands and thousands on watches? There's something to be said for making a serious, technically superb product at an price point that is still accessible to many. I'll always love my Omegas, but I'm not sure I'll be buying many more. At least, not new models.

I bought my new SMP 2531.80 model for AUD$1900 after a 32% discount when it was first released and now the new models are AUD$8000 here in Australia. I’ve always thought we take the prize for disproportionate pricing between international markets and local pricing.

I can buy the same watch from an overseas dealer including courier shipping for AUD$5000, spend another AUD$600 on customs and duties and still come out significantly ahead with a valid, recognised warranty.

That being said, compared to other brands, Omega still delivers a lot of bang for the buck so the value proposition continues being there for me in terms of quality and technology.
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What part of the world are you?

Ive been walking on a street yesterday and saw those through the window.

Just entered the shop as i wanted to ask a question about a bracelet link for my Explorer and there was a Milgaus and two tone Seadweller inside, all ready to go..
Im in england
 
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Omega and Rolex watches are on par in my book.

One just spends more on marketing and charges more.

Worked in Marketing in the 90s and one of my University teachers said. “You buy a months billboard advertising for Rolex every time you buy a Rolex” and “the only company that charges you for the advertisement in the magazine you saw the watch you just bought in”
Don’t get me wrong this is not Rolex hate, it’s just what luxury companies do and good on them. The watches for both Omega and Rolex are not worth much more than a few thousand $$s but you have been buying a brand name, just like luxury hand bags

Name one luxury brand that is getting cheaper.

It’s not only luxury
New Nike shoes are dearer every few years
$1800 for the next IPhone
Every new car is more expensive than the last model

It’s crazy nowadays, people pay $5 for a coffee from Starbucks

Read this book


You will get a great idea of how companies think and how much the want our money.
 
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I think there are several examples in each brand’s catalogue that I find grossly overpriced and a few that are underpriced.

I am not a fan of frequent price increases/adjustments. What I would love is no more than 1 adjustment worldwide no more often than every 3 years.
 
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I would not suggest to know the inner workings of the Rolex financial department. But, I try and be skeptical (if only for self improvement’s sake) at off-cuff suggestions that certain products are wildly bloated in their pricing.

Above someone mentioned new Nike’s as being another example, like Rolex, of such boated pricing. This might prove a good test case for testing our skepticism, because here is an actual breakdown of Nike’s profitability on sneakers:



The biggest takeaway here is to remember that the retailers are in many cases fully 50% of the take-home on a sticker price. I have seen many others suggest/confirm the same is true of retailers of luxury watches (ie, about a 50% retailer cushion in MSRP).

Again, this is not to say I know the inner financials of Rolex in particular, but instead only that I try and be skeptical of my assumptions in the apparent margins for certain products - particularly those that are (1) global, and (2) increasingly inundated with competition.

Taking a $8,100 Submariner as example, if the retailer has a 50% margin, then cash to Rolex is approx $4K, and seeing a financial anatomy from there - like with the Nike example above - would be INCREDIBLY Internet-breaking.
 
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I would not suggest to know the inner workings of the Rolex financial department. But, I try and be skeptical (if only for self improvement’s sake) at off-cuff suggestions that certain products are wildly bloated in their pricing.

Above someone mentioned new Nike’s as being another example, like Rolex, of such boated pricing. This might prove a good test case for testing our skepticism, because here is an actual breakdown of Nike’s profitability on sneakers:



The biggest takeaway here is to remember that the retailers are in many cases fully 50% of the take-home on a sticker price. I have seen many others suggest/confirm the same is true of retailers of luxury watches (ie, about a 50% retailer cushion in MSRP).

Again, this is not to say I know the inner financials of Rolex in particular, but instead only that I try and be skeptical of my assumptions in the apparent margins for certain products - particularly those that are (1) global, and (2) increasingly inundated with competition.

Taking a $8,100 Submariner as example, if the retailer has a 50% margin, then cash to Rolex is approx $4K, and seeing a financial anatomy from there - like with the Nike example above - would be INCREDIBLY Internet-breaking.
I worked for zales the jewellers in the uk in the 80s as a bought ledger clerk. It wasn’t for me and was only there a few weeks but I did get to see invoices for what they bought jewellery and watches for and the mark up on some items was 100s of %. Don’t get me wrong if I had more disposable income I would not even question the price of things as I would just buy what I liked but unfortunately I am not able to do that. I started the thread about £10,000 for a dark side of the moon which I still think is a beautiful watch but I can not pay full retail for. I looked on eBay last night and you could get one for about £6000 which I do think is worth it and would pay
 
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Just did some math and determined that my collection at OB/AD retail would total $31,000, with 5% discount, $29,550 with tax: $31,600). That's remaining consistent with retail pricing at the time when I bought the watches. I paid $17,700 all in used. For me, and I'm not speaking for anyone else, that would have left me with the ability have about half of what I have (depending on what I decided to keep, maybe an additional one) and no way to actually come out ahead, unless I live decades longer, if then. I like having a hobby in which I can enjoy the prize and still come out ahead. I've yet to sell any of my Omegas, but I'm pleased with the upticks I'm seeing. With retail pricing escalating, that should drive a robust resell market for the older (yet still modern) watches I have. If the top end watchmakers are going to move up, then the void will be filled by somebody, because we know what nature abhors.
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While probably unachievable, Omega is probably trying to regain the status it had post war until the late 1960s. Prior to then Omega was more desirable than Rolex as a brand. It had the status symbol position that Rolex has today and Rolex was a relative newbie in the watch industry. In terms of price, the Omega Constellation of the 1950s was more expensive than the 1950s Rolex's top of the line Day Date.
 
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Maybe the problem is in Canadian taxes?

Just FYI - MRSP doesn't include taxes - that comes after.
 
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Canadian sales taxes are provincial. Quebec has a sales 5% tax, lower than many U.S. states. Income tax-wise, Canadians now pay less tax than Americans.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/05/03/income-taxes-canada-lower-us-oecd_a_23426460/

No, they are Federal, and in some cases Provincial. I know, I pay and collect them.

5% GST across the entire country, and then another 0% to 10% depending on the province or territory you are in.