An unique 1930 Universal Geneve watch - Shield On Dial Of Early UG Three Hander

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Another great one...Retirement project has to be collation and indexing of all these debates. We’ve talked about a supplement to Sala... this sub forum is the bones of it. @jerryct, would you be so kind as add “Shield On Dial Of Early UG Three Hander” somewhere in your post title so it shows up in a search?
Sure! Done !
 
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Another thing to remember when wrestling with questions about the authenticity of uncommon dial variations is that there were sub-markets that Swiss manufacturers catered to in the early and mid-20th century. I am not necessarily suggesting that all of the watches shown on this thread were sold to the Italian market (where the advert is from), but rather that there were uncommon dial variations found in specific markets. Longines, to use just one example, sold Flagship models in Spain in the '50s that featured dials not typically found in other markets.
 
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For posterity sake, there is another thread with an example of the early shield logo here: https://omegaforums.net/threads/is-this-ug-logo-legit.83161/
Perhaps @Kapka could add a few pictures to this thread?
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« Appease the country of destination » meaning several dial design so their local distributors think they’re getting something exclusive?

Sent you a PM

And @Tony C. s comment above.
 
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Reference and serial on these two please but without further research, I am very dubious about the second one you show. Almost certain it is a redial.

The abnormality is on dial, not crystal. Hoewever, as is often said, the proof is in the pudding so please show dial. Another way of proving this one is to remove dial and take a pick of back of dial .... Is that an option.

ref on the first one is 212213, serial places it at 1945-46

ref on the second one is 28341 serial places it at 1945

Will include a closeup on the second below, I don't doubt the dial. This is a smaller sized ladies watch. I suppose it's possible someone redialed it back in the day, but it seems far more likely to me, just an uncommon dial. It think it's one of the nicest ladies UG I have come across.

Getting back to the OP's watch, I don't think the shield is the relevant point, I think it's the rest of the details that have to be evaluated. If anything I think the shield makes it LESS likely to be a redial since it's one more detail that would have to be redone? I have come across so many of these shield logos before I never doubted them and didn't even realize others here had questions.

I won't claim to know for sure on the OPs dial but my gut says it's OK, so I would just enjoy it.....
 
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If we required an advertisement of every pre-war watch we saw to satisfy that they were original, we'd be in a state of hysterical crisis.

Many methods are used to eliminate doubt - each of which alone are not enough, but together provide confidence. Even an advertisement is not enough, as a watch could still be well redialed or touched up.

All you can ask for is a degree of confidence. An advertisement is nice, but should not be a necessary requirement to pass the test of reasonable doubt.
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If we required an advertisement of every pre-war watch we saw to satisfy that they were original, we would be in a state of hysterical crisis.

Many methods are used to eliminate doubt - each of which alone are not enough, but together provide confidence. Even an advertisement is not enough, as a watch could still be well redialed or touched up.

All you can ask for is a degree of confidence. An advertisement is nice, but should not be a necessary requirement to pass the test of reasonable doubt.

UG often drives me to a state of hysterical crisis.....
 
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Hmmmm.... at the risk of sounding smug this thread now seems to be further documented evidence for the proposition made above:

what I’ve seen on the one brand I explore the most is that people have trained their brains to recognize the most familiar and frequent patterns and when something’s unusual, they conclude it must be wrong.
And then in a number of cases, further research shows that the initial reaction was misguided- and that there were in fact variants.
After 80 years, certainly a great many watches must have disappeared and been destroyed— and so the emerging patterns are only the most widespread models.
With prices having increased as they have, I can understand people erring on the side of caution if they are buying— but otherwise new discoveries can be quite rewarding.
 
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Interesting to note the logo was made in 1937 and OPs watch dates to (probably) 1938
 
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Hmmmm.... at the risk of sounding smug this thread now seems to be further documented evidence for the proposition made above:

are you saying I told you so.....😉
 
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are you saying I told you so.....😉
So tempting 😉
Edit / add: as Oscar Wilde once famously said, “I can resist anything but temptation”.
 
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UG is a mystery to me but I enjoy looking at and reading about them. This is a great thread and takes me back to earlier days here on OF 👍
 
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May I add those, “further documentation” found in another UG thread here about UG watches with deco numbers?

The beautiful scarab lugs is credit @Skrotis (with a few pending dibs including mine) - and the other is from the Sala archive repro, which @Florent posted to show the logo is documented in the archive (I’m enlarging it for clarification).
https://omegaforums.net/threads/universal-geneve-deco-numbers.70607/page-6

And then I found another logo one in Sala p. 291 (last two pictures).
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Here’s the original box that came with a Compax with a serial number dating it to1942-1943.
 
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Here’s the original box that came with a Compax with a serial number dating it to1942-1943.

Wow. Epic box.
 
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Very nice. More of that logo from Sala-could not see a date on the document though.
 
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After reading the thread and looking at that dial, I would say 100% original piece. Congrats 😉
 
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For posterity sake, there is another thread with an example of the early shield logo here: https://omegaforums.net/threads/is-this-ug-logo-legit.83161/
Perhaps @Kapka could add a few pictures to this thread?
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Sorry for the late reply, but I don’t have more photos on that watch since I never won the auction 😀. However, I took that photo and had the watch in my hands and I can insure you that it was NOT a redial.

The shield logo is 100% legit and I have seen it on another watch as well. As for the black dial in question, I can’t say for sure if it is redial but it looks legit to my eyes at least.

/Kapka