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An unique 1930 Universal Geneve watch - Shield On Dial Of Early UG Three Hander

jerryct
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New watch always excites me. This time it is a Universal Geneve gilt dial with steel case. It has the old UG logo printed. My research tells me that this logo was used by UG sometime in 1937, which allows me to date this watch to somewhere in the 1930s. I have no expertise to open the case back, so there isn't any shot of the movement.
Anyway, here are the photos. I would be delighted if anyone has more to share about it.

Thanks.
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Carlton-Browne
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That is very nice but I think it's safer to date it from the serial number on the inside of the case back when you get the chance. I'd be interested to know if it's a cal 255, 260 or 262.
 
Diabolik
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That does not look right ... I am not convinced that the dial is correct!

I will reserve judgement until I see a reference and serial number.
 
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Diabolik Diabolik
That does not look right ... I am not convinced that the dial is correct!

I will reserve judgement until I see a reference and serial number.
me too
 
Larry S
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Redial is my vote. Going back through the search function ...Logo on dial was a 50/60's thing.
 
Mazoue
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Perhaps I am mistaken but I am always suspicious of watches with that logo on the dial. That style of logo is found inside case backs from 1937 to 1953 but I'm not so sure about dials.

I know that there is one example in Sala but the fact that there is just one example amongst the hundreds in Sala does little to convince me.
 
jerryct
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As requested. Here are the photos. That is all I have as these are from the seller. I still didn't manage to get the case opened myself

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Tony C.
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I am not remotely a UG expert, however, I do happen to have two cents to offer. I suspect that the dial is original, as it is not a recent production, shows good quality fonts, and it is difficult to imagine why a red-dialer would have gone to such lengths to produce a rather intricate logo that is typically not found on UG dials.

Also, given the relatively good condition of both the case and movement, why, many years ago, might a redial have been required?
 
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Tony C. Tony C.
I am not remotely a UG expert, however, I do happen to have two cents to offer. I suspect that the dial is original, as it is not a recent production, shows good quality fonts, and it is difficult to imagine why a red-dialer would have gone to such lengths to produce a rather intricate logo that is typically not found on UG dials.

Also, given the relatively good condition of both the case and movement, why, many years ago, might a redial have been required?

I'll add that the seconds track is remarkably well done if it is a redial. Like Tony, I am not an UG expert in any measure.
 
jerryct
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Looks like there’s a discussion going on here.
I guess now it’s all boiling down to that logo on the dial that’s causing some debates.

My view is probably going to sound bias. But I agree with @Tony C. and @ConElPueblo that the lines look very sharp and crisp. That logo is too much effort for a redial-er to work on as well.

But then again, I am probably the least qualified person here to give a view This is interesting though. Enjoying the discussion.

Guess we all can agree that UG always has surprises.
 
Diabolik
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Case is correct

However, dial is not. It is either a redial or a modified dial. Here is a catalogue image of the case and dial combination going back to late 30s which ties in well with the serial number.

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Diabolik Diabolik
Case is correct

However, dial is not. It is either a redial or a modified dial. Here is a catalogue image of the case and dial combination going back to late 30s which ties in well with the serial number.

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Any possibilities that there are other dial variations ? Just thinking out loud.
 
Diabolik
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there could be, but regretfully that is not one of the variations.
 
Deafboy
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Thinking out loud, could it be the subdial, minute and hour markers are original but the logo was added separately? The printing looks so different.
 
Tony C.
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@Diabolik may well be correct, but an image from a catalogue page does not, on its own, disqualify the possibility of a dial variation.
 
Diabolik
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The dial tells a story. Looks like whoever prepared the dial did not do a very good job as there are still nicks and scratches on it. as nicks and scratches are painted, it would indicate to a serious quality control issue or a redial ...

I am going with the later!

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