Alternatives to the Speedy Tuesday LE

Maganator · Apr 6, 2017

speedolex
Okay, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel of Speedy Tuesday alternatives now. We don't need to see any more nuked and corroded panda's.

The definitive answer is: Just get a Speedy Tuesday. There will be plenty of them available. There are 2,012 reservations but $0 spent. You'll either have to pay a $1K premium to profiteers on release day or wait a few months and get them at MSRP or below from bored owners. It's the same ol' Speedmaster with a few white dots. When the classic internet frenzy effect wears off, it's just another Speedmaster owned by people who already own Speedmasters.

Do you think they will be available at MSRP or below a few months after their initial sale?

speedolex · Apr 6, 2017

Maganator
Do you think they will be available at MSRP or below a few months after their initial sale?

My opinion, yes.

This Speedmaster doesn't commemorate a moment in history nor does it faithfully recreate a famous discontinued vintage model. This Speedmaster is more or less a blog-powered Kickstarter campaign, something viral, something stoked by social media, something bought in a moment as an impulse fueled by an internet frenzy of like-minded individuals.

What that means is that what made people excited in the winter will likely cool down by the summer, and since no money was collected for the reservations you'll have hundreds of people with remorse or disinterest who will try to flip them for a profit or can just as easily walk away. The next wave should occur by Christmas where owners will have gotten their fill of internet notoriety, the buzz will have worn off, and they realize they have two Speedmasters that are identical except for some dots on the dial and they'll flip them as gently used.

This isn't Apollo 13 Silver Snoopy, or Mercury 7 FOIS, or the 60th Anniversary CK2915. It's a social media play. It's a color tweak to a dial and a cleverly crafted backstory of internet fans. I don't see the staying power.

Foo2rama · Apr 6, 2017

Maganator
Do you think they will be available at MSRP or below a few months after their initial sale?

He also thinks the other LE's that are high in value have mysterious external market forces raising them, which in his mind are proven by isolated edge cases. The Apollo Soyuz for example is only high in value due to the red and blue logo that attracts Spider-Man collectors.

With the high demand and huge waiting list these are not ever going to available at an OB. Nor are people that get them not going to be able to sell them for over MSRP for a long while. The feature set is too attractive to collectors.

The dudes a troll.

The feature set and dial history are something this guy is clueless about.

Maganator · Apr 6, 2017

speedolex
My opinion, yes.

This Speedmaster doesn't commemorate a moment in history nor does it faithfully recreate a famous discontinued vintage model. This Speedmaster is more or less a blog-powered Kickstarter campaign, something viral, something stoked by social media, something bought in a moment as an impulse fueled by an internet frenzy of like-minded individuals.

What that means is that what made people excited in the winter will likely cool down by the summer, and since no money was collected for the reservations you'll have hundreds of people with remorse or disinterest who will try to flip them for a profit or can just as easily walk away. The next wave should occur by Christmas where owners will have gotten their fill of internet notoriety, the buzz will have worn off, and they realize they have two Speedmasters that are identical except for some dots on the dial and they'll flip them as gently used.

This isn't Apollo 13 Silver Snoopy, or Mercury 7 FOIS, or the 60th Anniversary CK2915. It's a social media play. It's a color tweak to a dial and a cleverly crafted backstory of internet fans. I don't see the staying power.

Yeah, I know your view. I was just pulling your pisser. 👍

FWIW I do think there'll be some 'reservers remorse'.

speedolex · Apr 6, 2017

Foo2rama
He also thinks the other LE's that are high in value have mysterious external market forces raising them, which in his mind are proven by isolated edge cases. The Apollo Soyuz for example is only high in value due to the red and blue logo that attracts Spider-Man collectors.

I have never commented on another LE other than the Silver Snoopy because I believe that one had a larger market in mind when it was sold and marketed. Every OB in the world had a 6 foot Snoopy in the window.

Foo2rama
With the high demand and huge waiting list these are not ever going to available at an OB. Nor are people that get them not going to be able to sell them for over MSRP for a long while.

"High demand" is meaningless when thousands of Instagram, Facebook, and discussion forum members only have to make a reservation in the heat of passion without forking over a dime for months. It is just as likely that 1,000 speculators and resellers "reserved" ST's as it is diehard Speedmaster fans just dying for a reverse panda and a NATO strap to make their dreams come true.

Foo2rama
The feature set is too attractive to collectors.

I love this one. Tell me, what's the "feature set" that everyone is so excited about. I read the Omega website. Some obscure Alaskan fanbase that can't resist enlarged numbers on glowing subdials no one uses?

Foo2rama
The dudes a troll.

Yeah, that's what the closed-minded say when they find someone on a discussion forum with whom they disagree because they can't make an argument of merit.

R3D9 · Apr 6, 2017

Are we really going to go through this all over again? 🤨 🤦

dsio · Apr 6, 2017

People have tried to explain things to you over and over in the past, you simply ignore them entirely them post more nonsense... its starting to get rather tiring.

speedolex · Apr 6, 2017

dsio
People have tried to explain things to you over and over in the past, you simply ignore them entirely them post more nonsense... its starting to get rather tiring.

No one has explained to me what makes the ST likely to be more desirable than the Silver Snoopy or the 60th Anniversary 2915, ever.

The only evidence supplied thus far is that there was a huge buzz in a 24 hour period that caused a reservation frenzy for all 2,012 units. This I fully understand. I explain in the post above why I think that buzz is actually an indicator that this watch will not have staying power. That's as far as this argument has gotten, I am not ignoring anyone (I respond to every question sent my way) and I am not posting nonsense (I merely disagree with them and make my case which I think is quite logical, other posters have agreed with me).

If you would like me to stop posting my opinion on the OP's original post regarding his wait time to get a ST I can, you're the boss. However, I do not think I've done anything wrong in this instance except engage in dialog with other Speedmaster owners. I'm not trying to be disruptive. I would ask that you consider the tone in which other posters are treating me which is beyond rude, something I have not been.

dsio · Apr 6, 2017

Why does it upset you so much that people on a watch forum like a watch they like? Try to calm down and relax a bit, the endless tirade of straw man arguments and pointless ranting has reduced most people's opinion of you to almost nil at this point which is really nobody's fault here but your own and its actually not hard to fix if you just take it easy and stop trying to fight everyone on topics that you don't have much understanding of.

Cad290 · Apr 6, 2017

speedolex
No one has explained to me what makes the ST likely to be more desirable than the Silver Snoopy or the 60th Anniversary 2915, ever.

The only evidence supplied thus far is that there was a huge buzz in a 24 hour period that caused a reservation frenzy for all 2,012 units. This I fully understand. I explain in the post above why I think that buzz is actually an indicator that this watch will not have staying power. That's as far as this argument has gotten, I am not ignoring anyone (I respond to every question sent my way) and I am not posting nonsense (I merely disagree with them and make my case which I think is quite logical, other posters have agreed with me).

If you would like me to stop posting my opinion on the OP's original post regarding his wait time to get a ST I can, you're the boss. However, I do not think I've done anything wrong in this instance except engage in dialog with other Speedmaster owners. I'm not trying to be disruptive. I would ask that you consider the tone in which other posters are treating me which is beyond rude, something I have not been.

It's a very attractive watch with quite a few distinctive and exclusive features. I fully believe there are 2012 people in the world that appreciate and value this, and will want to own this watch. Stop asking for "proof" of unprovable opinions while simultaneously supplying your own unprovable opinions please.

watchknut · Apr 6, 2017

For $10k why not get the real deal???

M'Bob · Apr 6, 2017

speedolex
No one has explained to me what makes the ST likely to be more desirable than the Silver Snoopy or the 60th Anniversary 2915, ever.

No one ever explained to me why blondes are more desirable than red-heads. Or why Indian food is more desirable than Tai food. Or even why watching football is more desirable than soccer.

Isn't it sort of implicit that some people just LIKE certain things more than others? Why would you be looking to quantify things that are impossible to objectively measure? Is it a need for attention, or does this concept elude you?

speedolex · Apr 6, 2017

dsio
Why does it upset you so much that people on a watch forum like a watch they like? Try to calm down and relax a bit, the endless tirade of straw man arguments and pointless ranting has reduced most people's opinion of you to almost nil at this point which is really nobody's fault here but your own and its actually not hard to fix if you just take it easy and stop trying to fight everyone on topics that you don't have much understanding of.

I have a great understanding of how product marketing, guerilla social media marketing, and licensing works and the potential effect it will have on availability and price which directly answers the OP's concern about whether or not he will be able to get a ST shortly upon release and how it will play out using the SS as a point of comparison. That is my value in this discussion.

I am not fighting with anyone. I am making a point that, apparently, no one wants to hear. So I will stop that now. If the OF population needs to believe that the ST will be a desirable collectible and doesn't want to debate anything other than that narrow view, so be it.

dsio · Apr 6, 2017

speedolex
I have a great understanding of how product marketing, guerilla social media marketing, and licensing works and the potential effect it will have on availability and price which directly answers the OP's concern about whether or not he will be able to get a ST shortly upon release and how it will play out using the SS as a point of comparison. That is my value in this discussion.

I'm sorry but you're simply not adding any value at all, and nonsense like this:

I love this one. Tell me, what's the "feature set" that everyone is so excited about. I read the Omega website. Some obscure Alaskan fanbase that can't resist enlarged numbers on glowing subdials no one uses?

About "Alaskan fanbases" indicates this is going straight over your head and has been since the start...

Foo2rama · Apr 6, 2017

dsio
Why does it upset you so much that people on a watch forum like a watch they like? Try to calm down and relax a bit, the endless tirade of straw man arguments and pointless ranting has reduced most people's opinion of you to almost nil at this point which is really nobody's fault here but your own and its actually not hard to fix if you just take it easy and stop trying to fight everyone on topics that you don't have much understanding of.

THIS.

But your being nice as a mod should be. I stand by that this guy is a troll. He is ignoring any information that contradicts his narrow view.

His whole argument is that the Snoopy is only high value as an extremely limited number of people purchased it as it had Snoopy on it. He is ignoring all the other LE's that have a higher then MSRP resale value.

He completely ignores that even if this watch was not tied to Frat or the #speedytuesday movement, it would be sold out in a heartbeat. All of the details on it are a love letter to Speedy Enthusiasts. The demand and love for this watch is huge... the new LE announced this year with the blue dial no one cares about. Compare and Contrast the discussions about those 2 watches. The convo over the ST has nothing to do with Fratello or the instagram hastag... but this guy wants to ignore all data and just troll.

lillatroll · Apr 6, 2017

speedolex
I am not fighting with anyone. I am making a point that, apparently, no one wants to hear. So I will stop that now. If the OF population needs to believe that the ST will be a desirable collectible and doesn't want to debate anything other than that narrow view, so be it.

I don't think the OF community need to be convinced, I think those who ordered the watch like it and want to keep it. Yes there are probably people who have reserved the watch and are thinking about flipping it, in the hope thet they make a profit on it, but I think that the majority of members here who have reserved one have no intention of letting it go.
Your point of view might be correct or it might be wrong, the problem is, is that your posts read like absolute statements, rather than opinions.

EatMan · Apr 6, 2017

speedolex
I have a great understanding of how product marketing, guerilla social media marketing, and licensing works and the potential effect it will have on availability and price which directly answers the OP's concern about whether or not he will be able to get a ST shortly upon release and how it will play out using the SS as a point of comparison. That is my value in this discussion.

I am not fighting with anyone. I am making a point that, apparently, no one wants to hear. So I will stop that now. If the OF population needs to believe that the ST will be a desirable collectible and doesn't want to debate anything other than that narrow view, so be it.

I'm definitely in the minority here thinking speedolex's posts are logical, reasonable, and provides an interesting contrasting point of view. I do not find him to be belligerent or trolling. In fact, some of his more recent posts are reconciliatory with self-deprecating humor in efforts to defuse the situation. I appreciate his honest feedbacks and opinions, and I see no problem in the way he is expressing them. I remain open minded and appreciate his point of view.

N1CK · Apr 6, 2017

speedolex
No one has explained to me what makes the ST likely to be more desirable than the Silver Snoopy or the 60th Anniversary 2915, ever.

Here's a reason - It's the first production black/white reverse panda dial speedy in Omega history.

Another is that means the watch is far more visually striking and unique than either the silver snoopy or the 60th anniversary.

Here's another - it also has a host of other features that are tailor made to drive collectors wild: appliqué logo, vintage crown, vintage script, radial subdials, brushed case, vintage buckle. The others also have nice details but none have quite so many as the ST.

Personally I couldn't care less how it performs on the market, or how the other watches do, nor do I much care to face off three nice watches against each other. But I think there are plenty of reasons, and plenty of reasons already expressed by many people on this thread and in the wider forum to justify why the ST is expected by many to be the hottest new Speedy in years, if not ever.

munichblue · Apr 6, 2017

speedolex
I have a great understanding of how product marketing, guerilla social media marketing, and licensing works...

Hopefully you don't have to make a living out of it. 😟

speedolex · Apr 6, 2017

EatMan
I'm definitely in the minority here thinking speedolex's posts are logical, reasonable, and provides an interesting contrasting point of view. I do not find him to be belligerent or trolling. In fact, some of his more recent posts are reconciliatory with self-deprecating humor in efforts to defuse the situation. I appreciate his honest feedbacks and opinions, and I see no problem in the way he is expressing them. I remain open minded and appreciate his point of view.

Thank you. I was beginning to lose my faith in humanity.

Alternatives to the Speedy Tuesday LE

Maganator

speedolex

Foo2rama

Maganator

speedolex

R3D9

dsio

speedolex

dsio

Cad290

watchknut

M'Bob

speedolex

dsio

Foo2rama

lillatroll

EatMan

N1CK

munichblue

speedolex

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