About to buy my first watch on ebay. Is it a re-dial?

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Just a PSA to anyone in the same situation, considering making their first vintage purchase from eBay. My advice would be DON’T.

If you had to design a machine more ill-suited to buying your first vintage piece, and more tilted in favor of unscrupulous or unqualified dealers - it would be harder to do better than eBay. I say this with no offense to the good ones out there. There are many. But not necessarily all those with 99.2% positive feedback. And therein lies the problem.

My humble advice to buying your first vintage, in steps:

1) Browse WatchRecon.com to get inspired by different styles and designs, and to narrow down your tastes by period, manufacturer or model.

2) Study and learn from forums where enthusiasts of whatever you narrow in on tend to congregate.

3) Finally, look for a private sale from a member of said forum. You want a member in good standing with good references, and whom you trust. This person will never pressure you, answers your questions, and doesn’t set off your creep-dar in any way.
 
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Just a PSA to anyone in the same situation, considering making their first vintage purchase from eBay. My advice would be DON’T.

If you had to design a machine more ill-suited to buying your first vintage piece, and more tilted in favor of unscrupulous or unqualified dealers - it would be harder to do better than eBay. I say this with no offense to the good ones out there. There are many. But not necessarily all those with 99.2% positive feedback. And therein lies the problem.

My humble advice to buying your first vintage, in steps:

1) Browse WatchRecon.com to get inspired by different styles and designs, and to narrow down your tastes by period, manufacturer or model.

2) Study and learn from forums where enthusiasts of whatever you narrow in on tend to congregate.

3) Finally, look for a private sale from a member of said forum. You want a member in good standing with good references, and whom you trust. This person will never pressure you, answers your questions, and doesn’t set off your creep-dar in any way.
And read this: https://omegaforums.net/threads/learn-how-to-fish.52603/
After you have done all of this and still insist on buying the one you got a thumbs down on, caveat emptor.
 
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I'm also new to vintage watches and I agree with the member from above...I still don't know very much to buy a good vintage watch. Good that this forum exists..
 
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Anyone who thinks 100% positive feedback on ebay is a guarantee of seller honesty is seriously deluded. I could name several ebay sellers (but I won't) who are just about the vilest scum going. They have been on ebay for years, are "power sellers" and know exactly how to defraud naive buyers and manipulate the system. If you want to find out about an ebay seller, googling their current and any previous usernames is the nearest thing to a reliable way.
 
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Anyone who thinks 100% positive feedback on ebay is a guarantee of seller honesty is seriously deluded. I could name several ebay sellers (but I won't) who are just about the vilest scum going. They have been on ebay for years, are "power sellers" and know exactly how to defraud naive buyers and manipulate the system. If you want to find out about an ebay seller, googling their current and any previous usernames is the nearest thing to a reliable way.


Agree that 100% is also not a guarantee of anything. I should have used that number instead.

But - and just curious - if you know a fraudulent seller or sellers on eBay, why don’t you call them out in the reviews section of this forum? Assuming they are dealing watches that is.

That people take the time to do this is exactly how Googling their eBay ID’s actually works.
 
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Hey all, thanks for the advice.

I did not buy it, and I think I've learned to stay away from ebay and potentially even chrono24 for this purchase.
 
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Yep. I would put Chrono24 in the same pool as eBay in many regards. It can be a useful tool, but tread carefully. I use it, but more for research and cross-checking reference variations and just general gawking on occasion.
 
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Hey all, thanks for the advice.

I did not buy it, and I think I've learned to stay away from ebay and potentially even chrono24 for this purchase.
I’ve had good luck on Chrono24 working with smaller jewelry stores and brick-and-mortar watch dealers. The trouble there is that the mark-up is hefty, though the business will stand behind the product. I’ve not enjoyed working with the bulk of private or anonymous ones on there, but I’m sure there are plenty of good apples in that barrel!
 
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I’ve had good luck on Chrono24 working with smaller jewelry stores and brick-and-mortar watch dealers. The trouble there is that the mark-up is hefty, though the business will stand behind the product. I’ve not enjoyed working with the bulk of private or anonymous ones on there, but I’m sure there are plenty of good apples in that barrel!

Totally doable, and I've also had good and bad experiences there. Do you homework, don't rush, and of course "buy the seller" and you'll be OK. My bad experiences can be traced back to not following these rules. 😉

Another cool use of Chrono24 is finding local shops/dealers to visit when on holiday.
 
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Agree that 100% is also not a guarantee of anything. I should have used that number instead.

But - and just curious - if you know a fraudulent seller or sellers on eBay, why don’t you call them out in the reviews section of this forum? Assuming they are dealing watches that is.

That people take the time to do this is exactly how Googling their eBay ID’s actually works.

The ones I know of are dealing in other antiques and collectables. I would like nothing better than to expose them on a public forum, but I live in the UK and with the way our libel laws are configured I would run a very real risk of being taken to court and fined heavily. I could go on a one-man crusade to change those laws, but I very much doubt I'd have any effect and so I just stick to warning people I know and being careful what I put in writing. That's how it is over here, unfortunately. The rogues get away with it most of the time.
 
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I'm quite sure that Baume & Mercier is a redial. What do others think?
 
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I'm quite sure that Baume & Mercier is a redial. What do others think?

Admitting up front that I'm not very good at "REDIAL or NOT"...and I'm also weary of those who are quick on draw to proclaim "redial!" ...REDIAL!!! 😗
 
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I'm quite sure that Baume & Mercier is a redial. What do others think?

+1. Apart from the messy squares already mentioned and the thick smudgy Roman numerals, it just "doesn't look right" which is not an easy thing for learners to get a grasp of and requires looking long and hard at lots of watches and learning the tells which others have pointed out all over this forum.
 
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Thanks all for the advice. I think I'm starting to get the eye.

Another suggestion is to at least look for known examples of vintage watches so you can compare what an accurate dial looks like. What do I mean by this? I'll use your Baume and Mercier watch as an example.

In my opinion, B&M just aren't really collected. As a result, you're going to have trouble finding and comparing an accurate example of the watch you're considering. In fact, a simple google image search can tell you a lot.

Instead, think about starting with examples that are known and collected. They may cost more, but you'll have much more tools (and experts!) at your disposal to navigate the vintage market. Additionally, if you decide to sell your vintage watch later you'll have much more liquidity because it's a collected watch. Again, using your B&M example, even if it's a correct reference, I just don't feel there are that many people in the market for this vintage brand.

Good luck and keep at it.
 
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Instead, think about starting with examples that are known and collected. They may cost more, but you'll have much more tools (and experts!) at your disposal to navigate the vintage market.

There is wisdom to that, and I've definitely learned the need to find other examples of a given watch. But that said, I'd much rather have a great example by a lesser known brand than one by a well-known brand in poor shape. I've been hesitant to get into watches previously due to their inherently ostentatious nature, and I love the idea of wearing a vintage watch that only a select few recognize and fully appreciate.

My main takeaways are that:

1. Private watch sales are the best route for a deal, otherwise I'll have to pay the premium charged by a reputable retailer.

2. There is no immediate gratification to be had here. I think I need to appreciate that it might take a month or two until the right watch comes my way.
 
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I'm quite sure that Baume & Mercier is a redial. What do others think?

I am with you. It very much looks like a bad paint job. That picture should actually be in another thread I know 😁