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bonzodog
·EBay is a No no for me.
A little worried about getting a replica...
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Omarrye
·The movement in the listing photos is genuine. I personally would just wait to get one at an AD/boutique if I was in your shoes. These will be in every show case sooner than later
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ErichPryde
·Yeah, sometime in 2018 I think.
I paid around £500 for it so the authenticity process wouldn't have applied.
Someone on another watch forum had flagged up the seller and the 39mm Hydroconquest quartz's that I bought but by then it was too late.
I've read that eBay has actually made the authentication process available for some sort of a fee- USD90 or some amount close to that iirc- to everyone.
Doesn't help you, obviously, and that straight sucks.
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Turpinr
·Super sorry to hear this.
I've read that eBay has actually made the authentication process available for some sort of a fee- USD90 or some amount close to that iirc- to everyone.
Doesn't help you, obviously, and that straight sucks.
The supply of fake 39mm Hydroconquests seems to have dried up.
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Turpinr
·B bonzodogEBay is a No no for me.
I bought a bracelet for my Bremont S300 through FB (I'm not on it) and the end links were wrong.
The seller paid for a new pair from Bremont so the deal ended well.
My missus tried selling a Burberry watch on there for about £30 but only got time wasters
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Annapolis
·I think common sense and nuance have to factor in here. I’d consider eBay for a vintage piece that’s unlikely to be faked, where the seller has excellent feedback and is posting lots of detailed pics that I can share with the forum here.
But for a modern piece where super-fakes are out there, why take the risk? Especially if you already have enough doubt to post a query about it? And for a watch that can still be obtained from Omega with a little patience?
eBay’s authentication gives me no peace of mind: I have no way of knowing who’s authenticating and how competent they are—and if they’re being thorough about it. Are they opening the watch if it’s got a solid caseback?—are they properly pressure testing it afterward if they are? Are they checking to see if it’s been reported stolen?
If you get a watch like this from eBay, you’re going to have some doubts at the outset. In my experience those doubts don’t just dissipate: they grow. Which means you’ll probably end up sending it in to Swatch/Omega for a service/authentication. That’s weeks without the watch and more $. So what have you really saved?
Just my 2 cents.
But for a modern piece where super-fakes are out there, why take the risk? Especially if you already have enough doubt to post a query about it? And for a watch that can still be obtained from Omega with a little patience?
eBay’s authentication gives me no peace of mind: I have no way of knowing who’s authenticating and how competent they are—and if they’re being thorough about it. Are they opening the watch if it’s got a solid caseback?—are they properly pressure testing it afterward if they are? Are they checking to see if it’s been reported stolen?
If you get a watch like this from eBay, you’re going to have some doubts at the outset. In my experience those doubts don’t just dissipate: they grow. Which means you’ll probably end up sending it in to Swatch/Omega for a service/authentication. That’s weeks without the watch and more $. So what have you really saved?
Just my 2 cents.
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mjb
·Huh. Just found a nice used black one for sale here from mdgrwl, a well known dealer who sells at typical retail (or more), and it's $6750... So maybe some of these crazy low prices aren't so crazy?
I'd go for it, but it's not my desired color.
I'd go for it, but it's not my desired color.
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Donn Chambers
·Huh. Just found a nice used black one for sale here from mdgrwl, a well known dealer who sells at typical retail (or more), and it's $6750... So maybe some of these crazy low prices aren't so crazy?
I'd go for it, but it's not my desired color.
The black dial ones with fautina are going for considerably less than retail at many resellers at the moment, so that’s not surprising. And there are quite a few out there. The blue and green dial ones are still hard to find on the secondary market and if they are there, are selling at a slight premium.
I know because I’ve been debating about getting a black-dial or going for blue or green — if the prices on the black ones continue to drop, I may go that route.
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mjb
·I know because I’ve been debating about getting a black-dial or going for blue or green — if the prices on the black ones continue to drop, I may go that route.
I found a red one that I'm considering as well. It's certainly unique.
I'm sure resale will be miserable.
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ErichPryde
·Not sure if it means anything to you (It doesn't to me) but the authentication of watches is carried out by Stoll & Co. Not something I know much about, and am still curious if anyone can shed more light on how valuable that authentication is, or not.
I think common sense and nuance have to factor in here. I’d consider eBay for a vintage piece that’s unlikely to be faked, where the seller has excellent feedback and is posting lots of detailed pics that I can share with the forum here.
But for a modern piece where super-fakes are out there, why take the risk? Especially if you already have enough doubt to post a query about it? And for a watch that can still be obtained from Omega with a little patience?
eBay’s authentication gives me no peace of mind: I have no way of knowing who’s authenticating and how competent they are—and if they’re being thorough about it. Are they opening the watch if it’s got a solid caseback?—are they properly pressure testing it afterward if they are? Are they checking to see if it’s been reported stolen?
If you get a watch like this from eBay, you’re going to have some doubts at the outset. In my experience those doubts don’t just dissipate: they grow. Which means you’ll probably end up sending it in to Swatch/Omega for a service/authentication. That’s weeks without the watch and more $. So what have you really saved?
Just my 2 cents.
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ErichPryde
·The black dial ones with fautina are going for considerably less than retail at many resellers at the moment, so that’s not surprising. And there are quite a few out there. The blue and green dial ones are still hard to find on the secondary market and if they are there, are selling at a slight premium.
I know because I’ve been debating about getting a black-dial or going for blue or green — if the prices on the black ones continue to drop, I may go that route.
Are prices on many of the more specialty pieces all falling back? Seems like watch prices, like MANY collectibles, have increased exponentially and then started to come down a bit. Seemed to see the same thing across the board in many collectible items.
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Annapolis
·Not sure if it means anything to you (It doesn't to me) but the authentication of watches is carried out by Stoll & Co. Not something I know much about, and am still curious if anyone can shed more light on how valuable that authentication is, or not.
A watch repair shop in Dayton, OH (which isn't a dig--I'm from Ohio myself) that has 2.5 out of 5 stars on Yelp? I'm not encouraged. 😀
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ErichPryde
·A watch repair shop in Dayton, OH (which isn't a dig--I'm from Ohio myself) that has 2.5 out of 5 stars on Yelp? I'm not encouraged. 😀
3.7 on Google. I actually just read through some of the reviews and it seems that the major complaint is that the company told sellers the watch they were trying to sell was fake or that sellers were asserting there was Damage Done To The Watch or materials that wasn't present before sending it.
Ironically, I almost find this encouraging as I really don't see any complaints (at a glance) that people received FAKES that weren't caught.
I don't really know how eBays money back guarantee works these days but it seems like even if the damage is really occurring at the authenticator, in many cases a careful buyer would still be protected.
I would be very curious to see how many of the big sellers on eBay that have 100% feedback have had issues with watches damaged by the authenticators or materials missing, you would expect that if damages occurred at the Authenticator with a standard frequency, the people selling the most watches on eBay would encounter this problem as a measurable statistical average--- NOT that these occurrences would be stacked vs. smaller, less frequent sellers. That would be some seriously cool and informative data to have.
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DougPhx
·The black dial ones with fautina are going for considerably less than retail at many resellers at the moment, so that’s not surprising. And there are quite a few out there. The blue and green dial ones are still hard to find on the secondary market and if they are there, are selling at a slight premium.
I know because I’ve been debating about getting a black-dial or going for blue or green — if the prices on the black ones continue to drop, I may go that route.
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ErichPryde
·To add to the above comment if the issues are mostly concentrated on smaller Sellers and not bigger ones, it really only leads to two possibilities, those sellers are not being honest or there is active maliciousness from Stohl & Co that targets smaller sellers. I'm a big proponent of Hanlon's and Occam's razors, and the law of monetary gain.
Too bad I can't see the distribution of these issues that sellers have to confirm that.
Too bad I can't see the distribution of these issues that sellers have to confirm that.
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Evitzee
·A watch repair shop in Dayton, OH (which isn't a dig--I'm from Ohio myself) that has 2.5 out of 5 stars on Yelp? I'm not encouraged. 😀
But Stoll for repairs, I'd recommend them, and I'll probably use them again.
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ErichPryde
·I can't comment on Stoll's verification service, but I've used them on three occasions over the last 10 years for complete services on a Roger Dubuis chronograph, an Alain Silberstein chronograph and, most recently, a Vulcain alarm watch. Services were done professionally at competitive rates. The Dubuis needed to go back about eight months later for an adjustment which was handled quickly. I put very little stock in online reviews and ratings, too many troublemakers in the mix. Frankly I'm not sure why Stoll would want to get into this verification business unless it is highly profitable, putting your company into the middle of a transaction doesn't seem like a good idea.
But Stoll for repairs, I'd recommend them, and I'll probably use them again.
On Google I would say the majority of one star reviews are eBay sellers saying "they said my rolex was fake" or "the damaged the watch while inspecting it and I wasn't able to sell."
This is hardly a factual indication that people don't sometimes receive fakes of course... but it's definitely a known phenomenon that unhappy people are significantly more likely to complain about their negative experience then happy people are to complement a positive experience.
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dstfno
·The model you want is not unobtainable. If you put your name down you should get it in a month or two.
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mjb
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Nice catch, thanks.
I've pm'd seller...
