3861 Speedy pro 2020

BlackTalon · Jan 10, 2020

flw
I'm not sure I would take that bet just yet. With the Artemis program gearing up, I'd have to assume that Omega would dearly love to find a way to send the Moonwatch (either the 321 or the 3861, or perhaps the X-33) back to the Moon in some officially certified way as part of the standard-issue equipment for the astronauts. Whether NASA feels the same way is another matter, but I don't think the association with Omega has done NASA any harm. Why not continue it?

I suspect if there were some 'sponsorship money' to the NASA program it would go a long way to getting one of the new watches into a certification program (and I would also assume Omega would need to bear all costs of the certification).

flw · Jan 10, 2020

BlackTalon
I suspect if there were some 'sponsorship money' to the NASA program it would go a long way to getting one of the new watches into a certification program (and I would also assume Omega would need to bear all costs of the certification).

Omega would take that offer in a heartbeat, I think.

zoohannover · Jan 10, 2020

Just a guess:

Take the "MOONWATCH ANNIVERSARY LIMITED SERIES Apollo 11 50th Anniversary" minus the Limited Edition factor and without any precious metals and you could be close to the new Speedy Pro. 😉

GoBlueJedi · Jan 10, 2020

zoohannover
Just a guess:

Take the "MOONWATCH ANNIVERSARY LIMITED SERIES Apollo 11 50th Anniversary" minus the Limited Edition factor and without any precious metals and you could be close to the new Speedy Pro.

I assume we're talking about cutting the "11" at 11 o'clock as well as Buzz's ass, right? And I'd bet serious money they won't replicate the DON on the standard Speedmaster Pro anytime soon. Maybe I'm wrong, but that might steal away from the mystique. Probably the same for the applied logo.

I'm certainly no expert, but I'm not holding my breath for any major cosmetic changes, other than the bracelet (that seems faintly consistent across the most recent releases). Still, though, bringing back the applied logo would be killer.

g-boac · Jan 11, 2020

I would suspect similar, that “minus the Apollo 11 LE factor” would mean that all the relevant treatments, including the two-tone, the 11, the non-luminous indices would be removed.

I was actually thinking (and hoping, honestly) that in addition to returning to the original flat-link bracelet asthetic and upgrading the movement, the crown, dial, and hesalite crystal WOULD be restored to the original skinny applied Omega logo, and the bezel would be ceramic and Dot Over 90.

I think in general that Omega with its Speedy Tuesday and LE editions is indeed moving toward restoring the original and classy design elements, so we may see them here on the 1861 going forward.

The Ed White would continue to be differentiated by a “Speedmaster only” dial, straight lugs, and of course, the 321 movement for which there is no substitute. The Speedmaster Professional would have the 3861 movement and twisted lugs, but be restored to its classic design elements with the bracelet, applied logo, dot over 90 bezel (ceramic), and crown.

These are my hopes for the watch, and what might represent a nice technical and design upgrade/renaissance from the current 1861 generation.

AntonisCy · Jan 11, 2020

zoohannover
Just a guess:

Take the "MOONWATCH ANNIVERSARY LIMITED SERIES Apollo 11 50th Anniversary" minus the Limited Edition factor and without any precious metals and you could be close to the new Speedy Pro.

Doubt this bracelet will be on the new Speedy.

ryankelly · Jan 11, 2020

g-boac
I would suspect similar, that “minus the Apollo 11 LE factor” would mean that all the relevant treatments, including the two-tone, the 11, the non-luminous indices would be removed.

I was actually thinking (and hoping, honestly) that in addition to returning to the original flat-link bracelet asthetic and upgrading the movement, the crown, dial, and hesalite crystal WOULD be restored to the original skinny applied Omega logo, and the bezel would be ceramic and Dot Over 90.

I think in general that Omega with its Speedy Tuesday and LE editions is indeed moving toward restoring the original and classy design elements, so we may see them here on the 1861 going forward.

The Ed White would continue to be differentiated by a “Speedmaster only” dial, straight lugs, and of course, the 321 movement for which there is no substitute. The Speedmaster Professional would have the 3861 movement and twisted lugs, but be restored to its classic design elements with the bracelet, applied logo, dot over 90 bezel (ceramic), and crown.

These are my hopes for the watch, and what might represent a nice technical and design upgrade/renaissance from the current 1861 generation.

Agree - feel like it’s what’s about what would get 1861/1863/.005/etc owners to get excited and want to spend on another new Moonwatch. Might Omega decide a new movement and no aesthetic upgrades is enough to do that? Yes, but as neat as that is, I’m not sure it’s enough for me.

omar · Jan 11, 2020

Now that there is a Ed White re-edition for the purists, the “standard” moon watch is free to evolve and iterate over the years, as it did leading up to the 3570.50. Looking at both it’s siblings (the recently refreshed SMP300) and it’s aspirational competition (the Daytona), I would think the 3861 moon watch will be:

- ceramic bezel
- ceramic dial (matte? Glossy?)
- applied logo and markers
- Lyra lugs
- new bracelet (probably the same as the 50th anniversary)
- sapphire front and back (maybe reworked profile on the front)
- (wildcard): white dialed version along with the black dial
- 3861 movement

the only thing I wish the 3861 had that it doesn’t is a column wheel and a longer power reserve, but I’ll take the new escapement and silicon spring.

YY77 · Jan 11, 2020

omar
Now that there is a Ed White re-edition for the purists, the “standard” moon watch is free to evolve and iterate over the years, as it did leading up to the 3570.50. Looking at both it’s siblings (the recently refreshed SMP300) and it’s aspirational competition (the Daytona), I would think the 3861 moon watch will be:

- ceramic bezel
- ceramic dial (matte? Glossy?)
- applied logo and markers
- Lyra lugs
- new bracelet (probably the same as the 50th anniversary)
- sapphire front and back (maybe reworked profile on the front)
- (wildcard): white dialed version along with the black dial
- 3861 movement

the only thing I wish the 3861 had that it doesn’t is a column wheel and a longer power reserve, but I’ll take the new escapement and silicon spring.

I'm getting 64 hours from the power reserve on my 3861, is that not enough?

bucksandreds · Jan 11, 2020

Flat link bracelet is the key. They’ll sell a bunch if they bring it back. I think one of the joys of the moonwatch is the relatively ease to damage the bezel as crazy as that sounds. I understand the desire to do ceramic as the watch will hardly “age.” I look forward to dinging my bezel over the years. The Daytonas (as beautiful as they are) always look brand new. I’d support a significant price increase on the moonwatch if it went back to flat link and DON bezel and have hesalite and sapphire sandwich options. Maybe even hesalite sandwich option.

g-boac · Jan 11, 2020

The only thing that would make this watch an outright hard pass for me would be if the crystal were sapphire-only. Assuming the 3861 movement is a technical upgrade to the Speedmaster Professional line, then there would be room across the product line (just like you have today) for both a baseline, standard tool watch with a Hesalite crystal and a metal caseback, as well as a sapphire sandwich, featuring a sapphire crystal and a transparent sapphire caseback.

No issues with a ceramic bezel, particularly if it is dot-over 90. An aluminum bezel would be fine too.

But in the big picture, the Speedmaster Professional should always remain what it is: the current production iteration of the first watch worn on the moon. As for evolution and iteration: that is what the broader Speedmaster family is for: e.g., automatic-movement 8500/9300 Speedmaster, the Speedmaster '57, ceramic-cased x-Side of the Moon, with date and/or moon phase complications, etc.

Evitzee · Jan 11, 2020

I don't think Omega will continue with a plastic crystal on a $7k+ watch. The market really wants ruggedness now and plastic in 2020 doesn't cut it. I don't think they need a sapphire back, the 3861 movement is nothing to get excited about from a visual or finishing standpoint. I'd like to see an updated plain Hippocampus embossed/engraved NAIAD back, with maybe a better finished dial (gloss?), ceramic bezel and sapphire crystal. Flat link bracelet would be a nice addition, or maybe a new design. They are looking to the future but want to maintain a link to the past.

omar · Jan 11, 2020

YY77
I'm getting 64 hours from the power reserve on my 3861, is that not enough?

Omega advertises 50 for the 3861 so I wouldn’t know 😉 64 would be great, though it’s still not quite “put it down Friday evening and pick it up Monday morning” power reserve.

bucksandreds · Jan 11, 2020

Evitzee
I don't think Omega will continue with a plastic crystal on a $7k+ watch. The market really wants ruggedness now and plastic in 2020 doesn't cut it. I don't think they need a sapphire back, the 3861 movement is nothing to get excited about from a visual or finishing standpoint. I'd like to see an updated plain Hippocampus embossed/engraved NAIAD back, with maybe a better finished dial (gloss?), ceramic bezel and sapphire crystal. Flat link bracelet would be a nice addition, or maybe a new design. They are looking to the future but want to maintain a link to the past.

I would contend that the hesalite is special for this watch because the hesalite is one thing that makes it certified be NASA. Sapphire automatically disqualifies the watch from certification. That sort off thing can’t really be said about other watches. I would contend the manual wind aspect is similar for this watch.

Pilot85 · Jan 12, 2020

I doubt the new Speedy 3861 will have a DON bezel. Ceramic yes why not is a modern upgrade. I think putting the DON bezel on a regular production Speedmaster would removed that special thing the DON has.
I think same thing with the bracelet of the Apollo 11 50th or the new 321. Don’t think that will happen. But I would appreciate a new nicer clasp at least.

MauricioNO · Jan 25, 2020

Do you guys believe that if they stop selling the 1861/3 altogether in favor of the 3861, they would still have a hesalite version of it?

stevec14 · Jan 25, 2020

MauricioNO
Do you guys believe that if they stop selling the 1861/3 altogether in favor of the 3861, they would still have a hesalite version of it?

I don’t think so. Omega are pushing the pricing boundaries and going more upmarket in materials. I may well be wrong, but I would expect this to be sapphire crystal and ceramic bezel - take it into the next price bracket.

zoohannover · Apr 8, 2020

Just a (photoshop) guess:
This could be the upcoming standard Moonwatch with 3861 caliber. 😉

watcholone · Apr 8, 2020

you forgot the dot over 90 and the applied logo ;-)

scapa · May 31, 2020

I interista66
Great Photoshop,I really hope Omega-Staff could see this Picture and Start producing it because they seem to have some strange taste sometimes, anyway they will never ever reach the quality of ZENITH watches not now not ever, never never never.ZENITH is a real manufacture brand, whereas Omega is Swatch.THIS is the truth

I feel a bit like the conclusions of your argument here bootstrap its premises. Also, I'm not sure in what ways exactly Zenith is a manufacture where Omega is not. I would further argue that, while Omega is indeed of Swatch, it is not Swatch. And I don't quite see how Omega can be any more Swatch than Zenith is LVMH.

I do like the photoshop you reference however.

3861 Speedy pro 2020

BlackTalon

flw

zoohannover

GoBlueJedi

g-boac

AntonisCy

ryankelly

omar

YY77

bucksandreds

g-boac

Evitzee

omar

bucksandreds

Pilot85

MauricioNO

stevec14

zoohannover

watcholone

scapa

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