2846: revisiting the 'no swiss' dial

[Edit - Added pictures.]

Hello everyone. I have been bitten by the vintage Seamaster bug after years of interest in various other watches. I have been looking at a lot of watches and trying to get familiar with the issues. I'm gravitating towards the 2846 case series and a few related dial designs within that.

Lately I've had my eye on one at a high priced dealer with a pretty good reputation (although that, like every other opinion here it seems, isn't unanimous). It has a quartered arabic dial exactly like the ones pictured in these two threads, with no apparent 'swiss made' (same S, m, and r in Seamaster, and heavier than usual line weight, same font everywhere else including the arabic markers):

https://omegaforums.net/threads/1956-seamaster-with-no-swiss-marking-on-dial.10258/



https://omegaforums.net/threads/advice-on-first-purchase-seamaster-1956-or-ref-2639-12-1952.108319/

I've run into a few others:

https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/omega-seamaster-vintage-new-purchase.769787/

https://www.chrono24.com/omega/omeg...-sliver-dial-moon-dust-patina--id16760427.htm

This dial gets mixed reactions at this forum. Quite a bit of skepticism and a few more or less tentative thumbs up. To me it looks like the lack of the 'Swiss made' might be a result of some incompatibility between case and dial size, or possibly because the crystal and expansion ring are not compatible with the dial? Is this a correct dial for the case or not? If not, is it in fact a redial?

To further complicate things, I found another dial with the same effect and the same secondary hour markers. Given the, to me, atypical-looking hands and crown, maybe the dial is a hodgepodge, but it seems again that 'swiss made' could just be hidden in the area beneath the markers which are just about flush with the (tension ring? rehaut?).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/OMEGA-SEAM...755553?hash=item1a90b25361:g:0SQAAOSwbSJeNu~T

Thanks in advance for any insights, corrections, etc!

Could you link to the one you are currently considering?

Thanks everyone!

ConElPueblo - I am perhaps unrealistic, but I hesitate to post the specific watch for fear of losing out.

cristos71 - Thanks for your comments about condition. Although I posted these as exemplars of a type, I do need to learn to watch for all the details of condition issues.

All - since I keep running into examples of this specific type, I am wondering if the argument can be made that it is original. Was the "Swiss Made" optional in some markets? Might these be an error ("Swiss Made" accidentally printed under the rehaut because the design calls for all markers to just about butt up against the rehaut?) Stock intended for another case design with a different crystal mounting method used in a case where the tension ring gets in the way? Or does the script and perhaps a legal requirement re: "Swiss Made" make it definitive that these are all redials?

Here's another one:

Is the dial hole slightly larger in 2767 cases?



Here's another 2846:

Reasons for no “Swiss” or “Swiss Made” on a 2846 Seamaster:
- Text has been washed off due to cleaning (some of your examples above)
- Text is hidden by crystal retention ring (common)
- Dial has been repainted (and they failed to include the Swiss/Swiss Made text)

That’s about it.

This. No other explanations - and I might add, not for any other post-war Omega either.

I should add that the examples shown so far have looked good, as has most of the ones in the threads the OP cited. One of them featured a Seamaster were water damage had blurred the text, which made people say that it had been redialed which could be seen by the bad fonts...


How about photos? And what price are they asking?

General threads like this one have some measure of quality, but if you are looking for a solid answer to your real question, the asking price and photos of the actual watch are necessary.

ConElPueblo - the truth is that by the time I had finished finding examples I had convinced myself that the doubters in the other threads were mistaken, and I had splurged on the one in the last picture I posted, from Omega Enthusiast's site. I've paid quite a premium for it, but now that you all have helped me lay my concerns to rest I will enjoy my expensive peace of mind. Although now that I've got the vibe for Seamasters we'll see how long it is until the next bout of obsessed research.

Thanks again everyone for your comments.