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gostang9
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Ferrari was not the best team and didn’t win the constructors in 2000. 2001 probably equal with McLaren. By 2002 I would agree they had the best car.

Or... <RedBull> was not the best team and didn't win the constructors in 2021. 2022 probably equal with <Ferarri> (if not for mistakes / reliability / bad strategy calls). By 2023... they had the best car.

No 2 eras are the same, there are simply too many variables. I believe Max / Michael / Lewis swapped into each others situations / time periods would all have won. (I get that you disagree, and that's fine). I neither disrespect nor dislike any of them. I admire when athletes are able to perform exceptionally, and it's always a pleasure to watch any of them in their prime.
 
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No driver wins without being in a great car on a top team. Barichello, Bottas and Perez are proof that a great car and top team don't guarantee a Championship for every driver. The best drivers have something special that gives them an edge, and helps them get the most of the car's potential and execute consistently and repeatably. What's true of Max is true of the other greats, and what was true of them is true of Max.

As a McLaren fan, I see this as the massive downside of Lando. He makes mistakes when the pressure is on. We saw it a number of times last season where he messed up his final flying lap. Max just doesn't do that, he delivers consistently time after time. I think the great drivers sit between 90-95% performance consistently, whereas you see maybe a Leclerc or a Norris is between 75-95% constantly. In a sport like F1, minor mistakes have major consequences.
 
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As a McLaren fan, I see this as the massive downside of Lando. He makes mistakes when the pressure is on. We saw it a number of times last season where he messed up his final flying lap. Max just doesn't do that, he delivers consistently time after time. I think the great drivers sit between 90-95% performance consistently, whereas you see maybe a Leclerc or a Norris is between 75-95% constantly. In a sport like F1, minor mistakes have major consequences.
George Russel is the other one I find has a lot of inconsistency, his ceiling is high but the mistakes are quite frequent too
 
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As a McLaren fan, I see this as the massive downside of Lando.
Agreed. There also seems to be a difference in aggressiveness (win at all cost) that many champions show (Lewis, Fernando, Max), especially in the earlier years when they're proving themselves. There's a kind of 'bin-it-or-win-it' that seems to be missing from some drivers. Will be interesting to see if Oscar starts showing more aggressiveness going forward.
 
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As a McLaren fan, I see this as the massive downside of Lando. He makes mistakes when the pressure is on. We saw it a number of times last season where he messed up his final flying lap. Max just doesn't do that, he delivers consistently time after time. I think the great drivers sit between 90-95% performance consistently, whereas you see maybe a Leclerc or a Norris is between 75-95% constantly. In a sport like F1, minor mistakes have major consequences.

Max made plenty of mistakes, including in his first championship season. He's only now looking imperious, mainly because he's unchallenged and completely dominant. Wasn't always that way.
 
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Agreed. There also seems to be a difference in aggressiveness (win at all cost) that many champions show (Lewis, Fernando, Max), especially in the earlier years when they're proving themselves. There's a kind of 'bin-it-or-win-it' that seems to be missing from some drivers. Will be interesting to see if Oscar starts showing more aggressiveness going forward.
I think Oscar is far too agressive in how he drives the car, you see it quite consistently with his tire usage and him 'cooking' the tires. Hopefully he sorts himself as he matures as an F1 drive

DrmexicoII DrmexicoII
Max made plenty of mistakes, including in his first championship season. He's only now looking imperious, mainly because he's unchallenged and completely dominant. Wasn't always that way.
Totally agree - early Max was far too agressive, everyone was calling him "Crashtappen" for a while but he seems to have sorted that out. Over the last season he was close to flawless
 
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I see that the fantastic circuit de catalunya in Barcelona is under threat as a new street-ish circuit in Madrid has just been given rights from 2026. Personally I'm gutted - I love the Barcelona circuit and it's been a part of f1 since I can remember. Seems like more liberty meddling, and not in a good way.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...elona-as-host-of-spanish-grand-prix-from-2026

seems to me like they are trying to replicate the Las Vegas circuit... part purpose-built, part road around a convention center
 
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Catalunya is a personal favorite. That's a bummer. Especially when considering what is replacing it.
On their most recent IG post, they touted that 90% of attendees will be expected to travel to the race by public transport.
What sort of bullshit metric is that? lol WHO CARES!
 
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Allegedly it's not replacing Barcelona but it seems highly unlikely we'll have 2 races in Spain every year.

And that metric is a bullshit sustainability metric. I'd rather this than the inevitable clamour to make the cars electric.
 
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Oh, the irony! Madrid is apparently all about ‘the sport having set the target of reaching net zero emissions by 2030. The track will be five minutes from Barajas international airport and accessible via train and metro lines with the sport estimating that 90% of fans could travel to the meeting on public transport’. To be fair, this works pretty well in Australia, but my main concern would be that they are replacing an actual racing circuit with another hotchpotch mixed street / racetrack.

To me Formula One meeting net zero emissions is a huge oxymoron, unless they’re planning on running the engines on waste oil from restaurants (though Mercedes have always been good with this 😉)
 
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Oh it was clear why they were pushing that metric lol. Such crap.
Lets ignore the carbon footprint they leave behind transporting these teams and equipment all over the world.
It's a joke! Just race and leave all the damn politics out of it.
 
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Oh it was clear why they were pushing that metric lol. Such crap.
Lets ignore the carbon footprint they leave behind transporting these teams and equipment all over the world.
It's a joke! Just race and leave all the damn politics out of it.
I get reducing carbon footprint but you're right. Net zero with transporting all the equipment will be impossible.
 
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I get reducing carbon footprint but you're right. Net zero with transporting all the equipment will be impossible.

Also, there is far more energy consumed by the spectators traveling to the event than by the race itself.
 
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From the supposed kings of marketing that really is the shittest name ever. Can you imagine the drivers having to say that in interviews... With a straight face?
 
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