2024 F1 Thread

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Not entirely convinced George Russell can keep his concentration for a race distance.
As much as I’m an Alonso fan, he did break check George according to the telemetry, Max or Lewis probably would have been able to deal with it without being upside down though.

Fernando’s defending is often quite dirty, but not excessively dirty and he has an artful way of maintaining plausible deniability and keeping it just within the rules even when he’s doing it.
 
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No budget. Not Volwes fault.

Maybe misallocated budget? I'd think a spare chassis is basic kit.
 
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Maybe misallocated budget? I'd think a spare chassis is basic kit.
He inherited a pretty messed up system that did not have any supply chain software, and they have the smallest budget in F1 right now. I’d not blame him.
 
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As much as I’m an Alonso fan, he did break check George according to the telemetry, Max or Lewis probably would have been able to deal with it without being upside down though.

Fernando’s defending is often quite dirty, but not excessively dirty and he has an artful way of maintaining plausible deniability and keeping it just within the rules even when he’s doing it.

Alonso 20 second penalty demoted to 8th. So in this case just outside the rules.

SKY feed didn’t really show the incident at all.
 
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I’m just relieved to see a different result at the top, root cause being exploding rotor or whatever.
 
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Explain to me again why Ferrari is dropping Carlos for Hamilton? Money talks?
There must be major behind-the-scenes financial impact of certain drivers that go well beyond race results.
- Lewis to Ferrari would seem to fall under such logic (I totally understand why Lewis wants to race for Ferrari, cannot get my head around why they would want him over younger/promising drivers)
- similar to how Danny Ric seems to be favoured by Redbull / Racing Bulls despite years of worse performance than his team mates...
 
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I think people are confusing one off speed and "plucky underdog" for consistent and serial winner under pressure. If Ferrari had a championship winning car (big if) I would back Lewis to beat both Carlos and Charles in a championship where you have to perform, consistently, under huge pressure. That's what they're paying him for, in my opinion.
 
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The one race I dont watch had the most excitment. Damnit. Either way, I love seeing the amount of press Botas' mullet gets on AustralianGP weekend. haha
 
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Double points for Haas. I'm missing Gunther less.
Watch your tongue. Gunther is a gift from God. I would love to see him replace Nico as an interviewer.
 
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Watch your tongue. Gunther is a gift from God. I would love to see him replace Nico as an interviewer.
I couldn't understand a word Guther said in the post race interview.
 
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I think people are confusing one off speed and "plucky underdog" for consistent and serial winner under pressure. If Ferrari had a championship winning car (big if) I would back Lewis to beat both Carlos and Charles in a championship where you have to perform, consistently, under huge pressure. That's what they're paying him for, in my opinion.


Don't forget to mention that Lewis has a huge pull for top talent engineers. I doubt Adrian would ever consider leaving RBR if it weren't for the pull of Lewis in a Ferrari. Designing cars for Carlos/Charles in a Ferrari isn't exactly the same draw.

Look at McLaren after Lewis left. They were in shambles and went like 10 years between wins. Look at Mercedes this year ever since Lewis announced he's leaving. Mercedes are fighting to keep their staff and will probably be the 4th best team this year and next.
 
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I think people are confusing one off speed and "plucky underdog" for consistent and serial winner under pressure. If Ferrari had a championship winning car (big if) I would back Lewis to beat both Carlos and Charles in a championship where you have to perform, consistently, under huge pressure. That's what they're paying him for, in my opinion.
Why does Russell seem to keep outperforming Lewis in qualifying and race pace? I could understand at times Lewis might take the 'try new radical settings' role as trusted veteran, but what use is that role if it never translates to better quali/race results? Yes, Russell makes more mistakes, especially in latter stages of the race, but Lewis simply doesn't seem to manage similar lap times...
 
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Why does Russell seem to keep outperforming Lewis in qualifying and race pace? I could understand at times Lewis might take the 'try new radical settings' role as trusted veteran, but what use is that role if it never translates to better quali/race results? Yes, Russell makes more mistakes, especially in latter stages of the race, but Lewis simply doesn't seem to manage similar lap times...

I honestly think it's because he's checked out. If the car was capable of winning a race I think he'd raise his performance another level. You see it with a lot of the greats, they need something to motivate them to the next level, even if it's subconscious. Reminds me of the Chicago Bulls documentary (last dance?) where Michael Jordan admitted to making something up about someone insulting him in order to motivate himself to dig deep and go again.

It's all conjecture, but we've seen it Lewis before, and in other sportsman, where unless they have a chance of winning, they can't (won't?) perform at their best. I find the psychology of sport fascinating.
 
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I honestly think it's because he's checked out. If the car was capable of winning a race I think he'd raise his performance another level. You see it with a lot of the greats, they need something to motivate them to the next level, even if it's subconscious. Reminds me of the Chicago Bulls documentary (last dance?) where Michael Jordan admitted to making something up about someone insulting him in order to motivate himself to dig deep and go again.

It's all conjecture, but we've seen it Lewis before, and in other sportsman, where unless they have a chance of winning, they can't (won't?) perform at their best. I find the psychology of sport fascinating.
I think so too. It's a combination of years having a competitive car to suddenly having the 3rd or 4th best car that has no chance of winning a race on top of him leaving to another team. Seems like he's just going through the motions right now while George is trying to prove to Mercedes that he should be #1.
 
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...unless they have a chance of winning, they can't (won't?) perform at their best.
Sounds like a reasonable hypothesis. There also seem to be athletes who reach a level of financial gain such that their decadent lifestyles perhaps take away some of their hunger to perform (ie: Connor McGregor in UFC). Regardless, it all supports why I don't see the benefit to Ferrari of paying him the huge sum of money to bring him onboard.

The fun debate of how much of success comes down to the driver vs the car vis interesting. The measure of a driver seems to be down to how well a driver does vs the team mate, and the car is measured by how consistently both team mates do well. Bottas was often close to Hamilton in the dominant Mercedes, while Perez is often far behind Max in qualifying and race pace. Does that mean the Merc was simply that good? Or does it mean Max is really that special? Or is Bottas much better than Perez...?

I find the psychology of sport fascinating.
Me too!!
 
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I think so too. It's a combination of years having a competitive car to suddenly having the 3rd or 4th best car that has no chance of winning a race on top of him leaving to another team. Seems like he's just going through the motions right now while George is trying to prove to Mercedes that he should be #1.

Exactly why they should show him the door now and bring in someone who actually wants to race.
 
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Exactly why they should show him the door now and bring in someone who actually wants to race.
Trouble is all they have right now is Mick, who isn’t that good
 
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MB is in a huge pickle right now. They have Mick, and can't commit long term to a good driver like Carlos since they have the young Italian Stallion waiting in the wings.

I'm in agreement that Lewis gains a lot more from the Ferrari deal, all this proves is how shrewd of a business person he is. He's made 2 big moves in his career which has paid of tremendously. The last one is less about on track performance and more about how much coin he collects on the way out.