168.005 Gold Cap Constellation - Worth 3,300 EUR?

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I don't buy into the 'no serial numbers higher than…" when talking onyx inserts. This is now the fourth gold cap 168.005 I've seen with a 26.xxx.xxx serial number with the same type of dial (same marker type) with onyx inserts. Nothing in the three other specimens I've observed have suggested foul play.

Btw, €3,300 is a complete joke.
I am not sure about the gold cap but I think that notion can be applied for stainless steel version. Also movement swapping is not uncommon for these connies.
 
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I am not sure about the gold cap but I think that notion can be applied for stainless steel version. Also movement swapping is not uncommon for these connies.

Do you think that it is somehow less uncommon than for other Omegas? And more importantly; when in the watch' life time would this typically happen and why? I've heard it mentioned before, but never anything to back it up. You'd think that if it had been official Omega policy it would have been enforced across the model ranges, but no-one seems to suggest the same theory when discussing other ranges.

The three watches I have knowledge of already were within a pretty tight serial number band (two of them less than 40 apart, IIRC) and originally supplied to the same (small) country. None of them were sold by dealers, two of them were estate finds the last "as found" with wrist cheese and everything by an auction house...

Often the simplest theory is the correct one 😉
 
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Also movement swapping is not uncommon for these connies.

I’m not sure that holds much water now.

It was a premise opined by some very experienced collectors on the basis that the serial numbers were (presumed) too high - and then a number of high numbered 564 doglegs (With provenance) appeared - somewhat debunking that theory.
 
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Focus on the watch and not the full set. 2,800 Euro is still way too much. Patience while you search will eventually reward you.
 
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Seller is down to 2800 EUR.


Seller is down to 2800 EUR. Finding a similar watch in the US, I would have to pay 30% import taxes. So might not be that bad...

I haven’t yet seen this for 1000-1500 EUR with BOR strap. Would you be able to share links? Also, wouldn’t you add it any value that this is a full set, where serials match 100%?

When an OP starts to give responses like this to accurate advice from experienced members, I think it's time to simply say "Buy it if you like it". For all we know, price may not really be an issue for the OP, and he may be tired of looking. Perhaps this will be the only watch he ever buys, and he will live happily with it forever, never needing to sell it.
 
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My 168.005 with onyx dial starts at 268’ and I have seen several other onyx in that range.
Is that what one would call a high serial number and something incorrect?
 
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My 168.005 with onyx dial starts at 268’ and I have seen several other onyx in that range.
Is that what one would call a high serial number and something incorrect?

Perhaps @hoipolloi would like to join the conversation and offer his opinion?

Nice watch BTW 👍
 
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I hThen again, I have also seen a sample on Omega Enthusiast priced slightly higher, not as a full set and not with a BOR strap.

The watches on Omega Enthusiast are all overpriced in my opinion, don't use these when comparing price😀
 
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not sure how @janice&fred would have gold cap lugs fettled

Had it done quite a few times already Via laser welding both in the Philippines and Manhattan. Have also seen it done the traditional way by gold smiths. Both methods work on damaged gold capped cases and lugs.
 
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When an OP starts to give responses like this to accurate advice from experienced members, I think it's time to simply say "Buy it if you like it". For all we know, price may not really be an issue for the OP, and he may be tired of looking. Perhaps this will be the only watch he ever buys, and he will live happily with it forever, never needing to sell it.
True! When you buy one watch in your life is does'nt really matter you pay a couple of hundred to much.
 
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Had it done quite a few times already Via laser welding both in the Philippines and Manhattan. Have also seen it done the traditional way by gold smiths. Both methods work on damaged gold capped cases and lugs.

this is both informative and worrying in equal measure.....
 
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this is both informative and worrying in equal measure.....

How so? This is far from new news. Jewelers have been repairing damaged gold capped watch cases forever. The process really isn't much different than solid gold. Just add material then blend it in properly.
 
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When an OP starts to give responses like this to accurate advice from experienced members, I think it's time to simply say "Buy it if you like it". For all we know, price may not really be an issue for the OP, and he may be tired of looking. Perhaps this will be the only watch he ever buys, and he will live happily with it forever, never needing to sell it.

Hi Dan,

That is a fair comment. I was only trying to understand the value of the full set having the same serial number as the advice was that you could buy a case for 150 EUR. But I understand now that it really has no value other than sentimental. I am fine with paying a couple of hundreds too much, since there seem to be very few constellation with BOR straps on the market, but I don’t want to do a bad deal. Which seems easy to do as there are quite many dodgy products out there.

So I am happy for all the advice you guys can give, and you have saved me from a few bad purchases already.

Had the full set with matching serials been worth it, I would probably have bought it. But not when it is this much overpriced.
 
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The watches on Omega Enthusiast are all overpriced in my opinion, don't use these when comparing price😀

Thanks, good to know going forward
 
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Hi Dan,

That is a fair comment. I was only trying to understand the value of the full set having the same serial number as the advice was that you could buy a case for 150 EUR. But I understand now that it really has no value other than sentimental. I am fine with paying a couple of hundreds too much, since there seem to be very few constellation with BOR straps on the market, but I don’t want to do a bad deal. Which seems easy to do as there are quite many dodgy products out there.

So I am happy for all the advice you guys can give, and you have saved me from a few bad purchases already.

Had the full set with matching serials been worth it, I would probably have bought it. But not when it is this much overpriced.

Having a full set with matching serial numbers does have some value, but the value added is modest for a watch of this type. For a high-end collectible it could potentially add up to 20% to the right buyer. Also, I wouldn't sacrifice condition to buy a watch with accessories. If your purchase is at all budget-driven, I would be inclined to put the full budget into buying the watch in the best condition possible.
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Having a full set with matching serial numbers does have some value, but the value added is modest for a watch of this type. For a high-end collectible it could potentially add up to 20% to the right buyer. Also, I wouldn't sacrifice condition to buy a watch with accessories. If your purchase is at all budget-driven, I would be inclined to put the full budget into buying the watch in the best condition possible.

That is brilliant advice. Thanks, Dan. The search continues 😉