Why do you not prefer Rolex?

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As an engineer I really appreciate the way Rolex attempts to be a total vertical manufacturer of their watches. They attempt to do everything in house. I love that. I own an Explorer II Polar 216570 and love it. Mine says hi from the top of Haleakala this Wednesday morning. Waiting on a 6:13 sunrise. BTW - it's a tank, wore it snorkeling and playing in the surf, never worried about it.

 
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I don't have anything against Rolexes, only that I cannot afford the 1675 GMT-Master I'd love to own.

Panerai on the other hand... ::stirthepot::


Thank you, if you look at it from 1 meter away, it won't look like a Rolex 馃榿

Mate, there are people here who would reckognise an original 2913 Seamaster 300 on your wrist from the re-issue on the wrist of the guy next to you from across a football pitch. And they would then walk over to tell you that your minute hand is a replacement.
 
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I actually prefer Rolex watches. As one of the cheapest second hand watches you can buy, if having the initial money for it - it is a no brainer (I will get back to "cheapest" do not worry). If you want a really sturdy everyday watch they are hard to beat. I am not bothered with what anyone thinks of me as a Rolex wearer as I simply do not care. Where I live and work no one is interested in watches and they do not bother thinking about what is on my wrist. And even If they did - my watch does not define who I am.

I am into vintage watches and sometimes I am in environments that does not suit a watch that cannot take abuse, humidity, etc. That is when I put on a Rolex.

I wrote "cheapest". Cheapest, when talking about an expensive watch, might sound pretentious and/or obnoxious. I look at it this way though - If you, like me, buy a second hand Rolex letting the first owner take the first hit valuewise there are no cheaper watch. As long as you have the initial funds to buy it and in a short perspective do not have to sell it for other costs of living - it holds or if you are lucky gains in value. The Rolex brand has such a stong second hand market value it is like or better than funding money - specially today when bank interests are low.

You have and use a sturdy, very waterresistant watch that works well and the day you need money or just do not want it any longer you sell it and with a high percentage of probability get your money back or more. That is a cheap watch.

How many watch brands works like this? On the sturdy side - many. Waterresistant- many. Works well - many more. Value wise - not. Omega Seamaster divers - perhaps - but not for sure. Speedmasters - you will not go swimming with them a lot that is for sure.

I collect watches. Vintage watches of all brands and I have a broad variety. I do not collect Rolexes - I have them as a resource. Tool and bank. And as that I enjoy and prefer them.

Mine
Wearing this today:
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This one from 1952 is on the collection side though.

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And what this is - I really do not know yet... Let us call it a vintage beater.

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I guess every collection has to have a nadir object. Like all of what I've seen of your fabulosities this is certainly spectacular in it's own way.
 
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Thanks for sharing!!!

"Leader brands tend to reemphasize their No 1. status, winner takes all etc, which will inevitably come across as an "arrogant" posture which some might find distasteful and yet others will adore...QED the "TRUMP" vibe thing."

Can you explain this a bit more? What I do feel is they don't really take you seriously if you look like you're not gonna buy a watch...but this is kinda true in many high end stores...
Sorry but my experience is purchasing Rolex via multi brand ADs and I cannot judge Rolex for that experience any more than Breitling for example. I have to say that I am a bit annoyed that you changed the Thread title from "Why do you hate Rolex" to "Why do you not prefer Rolex"...it does make the "hate" references in my last night's post seem a bit silly and out of place.
 
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I have to say, the 'Rolex-stigma' has become a primary sticking point for me... I still have, and love 6 Rolex, down from 10...

When I first started to realize some success, it became the ultimate symbol of achievement... I had always loved watches, and at that time, Rolex was the ultimate for me... Of course, I had no knowledge whatsoever of PP/AP/VC/Breguet etc, and only knew Omega because of Goldeneye.

I acquired them quite innocently, not trying to make a statement to anyone but myself.
But, I soon recognized two things....
1. People started commenting - not "is it real", more along the lines of "must be nice", or "look at you" - not congratulatory, but resentful statements... (all with a SS datejust) - no comments at all with a platinum Globemaster however.
2. if ever at the big city, or travelling, and actually getting to see someone else wearing one... I was almost always disappointed by the person wearing it... rarely did the counterpart share a love of watches... Comments from me like "nice Daytona!", would be met with " no, its a Rolex"..
the Rolex forums, give a great cross section of all owners, some great people and true watch lovers, many with ultra high end PP etc, but still love and respect Rolex... and others who clearly wear their penises on their wrists...

For me, Omega has become the brand with which I most identify... I've never met an Omega owner I didn't like.

the rolex guys who are watch guys are great...but I find them to be the minority. Likely a selection bias, because there are so many Rolex out there (including the fakes).
 
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Do you mind clarifying customer relations and marketing? Is it the employees or the models Rolex pays? I can't speak too much about customer relations but I thought their marketing (using athletes like Roger Federer, Sharapova, etc) are kinda cool?

What do you mean by the cut-off dates?
Rolex has a policy of not replenishing stock of spare parts for movements after they are discontinued. So after a time, they just refuse to fix them. They are not the only company to have a policy like this (Seiko is notorious for similar practices). But I'm not going to spend serious dollars on a vintage Seiko.

You are segregating customer relations and marketing as separate functions, I am not.

I could care less who is paid to wear which watch. Means nothing to me either way.
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Why can't we all get along?



@styggpyggeno1 hit the nail on the head for the value of Rolex in the second hand market, @gatorcpa nailed the casework, and @CajunTiger spoke to the superior sealing.

For these reasons I always recommend a vintage Rolex for my friends that want an everyday watch that can take abuse.

Shower in it, swim in it, work on your car, go fishing/hunting, whatever...and then wear it out in the evening. If you own only 1 watch, own a Rolex for ease of use and value.

I love them, and luckily was able to buy decent examples at fair prices many years ago, and hate seeing the market go crazy to where I cannot afford, and do not wish to pay the prices for honest examples.

All fanboys, no matter the brand, have the arriviste asshole contingent, and Rolex has their fair share, but I don't give a rat's ass, as it doesn't impact me.
 
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I think Rolex makes the best watch case in the business. However, some of the company's customer relations and marketing kind of rub me the wrong way. Also, they have chosen not to support collectors of vintage Rolex watches by having cut-offs dates for factory service, without at least affording most independent watchmakers the ability to obtain genuine Rolex parts when needed.

I'd be lying if I said that I liked the attitude of some (particularly modern) Rolex owners. That's not the fault of the watch or the company that made it.
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i think ONE of the reasons they curb "selling vintage parts" has to do with not actively pushing the fake/franken segment...can you imagine the vintage market with if RLX opened the floodgates on those replacement parts?

NOS 5513s until the cow comes home...馃槜

nother prob. more important reason is business complexity (buzzword: stock keeping units)

-not defending, just understand where they come from
 
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i think ONE of the reasons they curb "selling vintage parts" has to do with not actively pushing the fake/franken segment...can you imagine the vintage market with if RLX opened the floodgates on those replacement parts
Like it isn't happening now?馃槈

I own a Rolex Oyster Perpetual from the 1950's with the cal. 1030 movement. I've been told that if I broke it up for parts, it would be worth 2X to 3X more than as a functioning watch.

I get the business aspects of keeping the inventory, training watchmakers, etc. Yet most other companies make that investment.

Black markets are never good for consumers.
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As an engineer I really appreciate the way Rolex attempts to be a total vertical manufacturer of their watches. They attempt to do everything in house. I love that. I own an Explorer II Polar 216570 and love it. Mine says hi from the top of Haleakala this Wednesday morning. Waiting on a 6:13 sunrise. BTW - it's a tank, wore it snorkeling and playing in the surf, never worried about it.

Gorgeous photo...really captured the "Explorer" vibe on the Polar 42mm...the ultimate tool watch for me...as well as being the Rolex answer to Planet Ocean and Panerai..joke on the Panerai BTW馃榾
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Seconds after taking this picture, the whole lot spontaneously burst into flames! 馃槻




..... just kidding! 馃槣 It was merely a bit of smoke, and tatchknut was able to separate them before permanent damage happened.
 
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There will never be NOS 5513 as Rolex never sells case parts. @gatorcpa is talking about movement parts, as we all know, the value of a Rolex is not in the movement!
 
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I'd be lying if I said that I liked the attitude of some (particularly modern) Rolex owners. That's not the fault of the watch or the company that made it.
gatorcpa

You might want to rethink this - the attitude of many Rolex buyers I believe is a reflection of Rolex marketing/advertising. There is a reason it is the "go to" choice of the uneducated watch buyer who wants "the best." It's because he has heard over, and over, and over ad nauseam that it is the best watch, and is therefore "the crown for every achievement."

It certainly wasn't always this way, but when Rolex geared up their marketing machine to turn what was a decent quality, but nothing particularly special, brand of watches into the ultimate luxury timepiece, well that is when the arsehole Rolex guys were born IMO.

I am not anti-Rolex (although they are a massive bully in the watch world), but I own a Rolex in spite of, not because of, their marketing and image.

I'm quite pleased that nothing they currently make appeals to me. I like vintage mostly for the way they look compared to the newer "shiny" models, but also because they were from a time when it was just a good, solid watch, and not some indicator that the owner had "made it" somehow, which is what the current Rolex marketing is based on.

Cheers, Al
 
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Starting a thread about hating Rolex in the Rolex Forum? 馃槻



Now that we've gotten that out of the way, I'll relate why I no longer own any Rolexes. Let me preface this by saying I think they are one of the best inhouse values in Swiss watches along with JLC. However, NOBODY ever asked me if any of my Audemars Piguets, my Vacheron Constantin, or any other brand of watch I owned was fake. Rolex though? It's like a God dammed genetic response to say "Is that real?". Even one of my old bosses who knew I was a watch collector and knew what my income was so it was easy to figure I could afford a simple DateJust still asked that question, as if he couldn't help himself from saying it. 馃う 馃檮

Yup, those are pretty much my reasons for also not pulling the trigger on Rolex watches. Although if Rolex were to re-issue some of their vintage classics (Steve McQueen Exp 2, Mil-Sub with painted rather than shiny applied markers) I could be persuaded to ignore all those issues.

How exactly are you supposed to answer the "is it real?" question anyway? Perhaps with "Oh yes! It's a real pre-release circular Apple Smart Watch with the latest licenced Rolex App which allows you to emulate any Rolex watch and did you know that the latest edition of the Oxford English Dictionary has omitted the words gullible and idiot?"
As for the boss thing I couldn't agree more. I have watched middle managers in UK PLCs and German AGs (i.e. employees) react very suspiciously when they see an underling with an ACTUAL ROLEX. It seems there is a management status codex that you better not cross if you are subordinate: Right suit, Mercedes Benz or correct model if you are already eligible for one, reserved parking space and then all the private bragging rights: My house, my boat, my Bimbo.

@sgtpry - Nice watch! Who cares if it is real, fake, a Rolex or whatever.
 
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@styggpyggeno1 - every time you post a pic of this watch..........errrrr............timepiece, I get a tingle. Must have one like it. Must be on horween strap. So beaten. So cool.

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EDITED. This post was a response to the original thread title "Why Do You Hate Rolex". The OP changed the thread title several hours / posts later.

I suppose the OP started the thread to discuss why some "hate" the Rolex BRAND, which could also be interpreted as "hating" not the BRAND but "hating" its more fanatical brand followers i.e the Rolex hardcore FAN-BASE.

I don麓t think anyone actually "hates" the whole Rolex PRODUCT range and certainly you can麓t "hate" Rolex THE COMPANY for having achieved continued success in the luxury watch / luxury segment by normal business practices and pursuit of excellence. As a business the Rolex COMPANY certainly deserves recognition and applause.

Like it or not Rolex are of course market leaders and THE reference luxury watch brand for the vast majority of people.This means that they will inevitably attract a certain consumer profile who value the luxury brand leader for its status symbol vibe / association with wealth (won麓t start the "bag thing" again here @Longbow馃榾 but Louis Vuitton does attract a similar profile I believe). These are often insecure people who have not had access to "culture" / general education etc and who often become obnoxious after acquiring some degree of wealth...not exactly the sort of FAN-BASE most OmegaForums members would admire馃榾

Another factor that also comes into play is that Leader brands tend to reemphasize their No 1. status, winner takes all etc, which will inevitably come across as an "arrogant" posture which some might find distasteful and yet others will adore...QED the "TRUMP" vibe thing.

So this then leads to the following paradox...you can actually like a given Rolex PRODUCT, but you don麓t want to be associated with the perceived arrogant Rolex FAN-BASE, as you consider yourself to be a more discerning, sophisticated individual.

So you start the "I hate" Rolex thing and purchase Omega / JLC as alternative watch brands in a similar price range to Rolex. If you do this (and I have been down this road), you are actually demonstrating your insecurity in terms of worrying excessively about third party opinions ref. the time piece on your wrist.

I believe I have got over the "I hate Rolex" phase and I can now safely state the following...I admire Rolex THE COMPANY and the following Rolex PRODUCTS in their current product range:
The 42mm Explorer 2 (I own and am wearing right now), the "corrected' 2016 Explorer 1 (on this year麓s shopping list), the new OP 39mm and the 40mm Platinum Day-Date. I consider many of these products to be best in class in their respective segments.

I do not admire the "perceived" Rolex FAN-BASE, even though there are many Rolex fans (many in this forum, for example) who do not fall into the obnoxious Rolex FAN-BASE categorization outlined above.

I admire the Omega FAN-BASE (generally more relaxed, less competitive etc.), the Omega PRODUCTS (I own five "modern" Omegas) as well as the Omega COMPANY.

BTW the fact the OP lives somewhere (perhaps Monaco?) were Rolex is considered a "daily beater", is clearly not a representative view of the wider global market. Cheers.
Doh, you mentioned the bag again! 馃う. (Are winks allowed now or are the English banned from using them here?)馃槈馃槈馃槈馃槈馃槈馃槈馃槈馃槈馃槈
 
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I don't have anything against Rolexes, only that I cannot afford the 1675 GMT-Master I'd love to own.

Panerai on the other hand... ::stirthepot::




Mate, there are people here who would reckognise an original 2913 Seamaster 300 on your wrist from the re-issue on the wrist of the guy next to you from across a football pitch. And they would then walk over to tell you that your minute hand is a replacement.[/QUOTE

Hysterical